Call up
Who agrees we should bring call up back for younger people out of not working?..there is talk about it happening. Personally I think it should happen and soon, it would alleviate unemployment and teach people to stand on their own two feet.
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I think it would be a marvellous thing to happen but with the mindset of most people in this country it will never happen
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I have never heard of it.
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I agree with you.
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It would be easy for me to say yes and claim I’d have done it when I was younger, knowing full well it would never affect me now.
I think there are better ways to support people who are out of work and to build resilience than making service compulsory.
As someone who wouldn’t be called up myself, I don’t feel it would be fair for me to decide that others should be.
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I'd rather we worked together towards peace and built communities. Jobs can be created in many areas, and in the long term, UBI may be something to be introduced. It's not the unemployed's fault that it's nearly impossible to find work.
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Nobody has said its there fault I would imagine if national subscription was introduced it may help the youngsters doing something worthwhile instead of sitting playing computer games I don't think for one minute we will ever have world peace as long as humans are breathing
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Good idea I think. I'm actually thinking about a young man near me. Why work when the state will keep you? He's idle and entitled. Think he follows his stepbrothers lead. He can't work because of his adhd and his alcoholism. Allegedly. They're 20 and 24. My own son's 40 now and he's definitely got adhd( recent diagnosis) .Works hard,always has since he left school. As for alcoholism? Welcome to my world . I've been sober 25 years now, I was a functioning alcoholic who worked. And knew I'd got to go into recovery. I'd be long dead if I hadn't. So when he talks about his ' issues ' I lose patience. It's youngsters like them give young people a bad name
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I think forcing them into a strict, authority-based structure would do more harm than good @michael57 There's already widespread hopelessness and mental health issues among young people. Funding local community projects and youth centres would be more helpful in my opinion.
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Its easy for people to point fingers and its easy to say for people to have compulsary sign up for something when it doesn't affect them. It would be different if all the young people said everyone elderly should be signed up too.
Military should never be compulsary anymore, and should always be a choice as with everything we do. Its the choices that define a person. Mililtaries cause so many mental health problems and PTSD affects afterwards and don't get much aftercare afterwards. Its not the young folk fault that they can't work sometimes, most of time everyone wants to work but can't due to unforseen circumstances. I.e lack of work available, disability/illness lack of services to truly help people into work.
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We will beg to differ on that
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"Call up" to something that helps train them, e.g. driving, fitness, skills, but without the element of war would be a good idea. Self-discipline helps us live better lives but being in the military means that they may have to pay for that 'privilege' with their lives. That's not a good trade.
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Call up? Won't happen, disabled people in particular would be medically disqualified for a start.
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Nearly everyone elderly has already done military service, so that's possible. It's a post about going to work and finding something useful to do and gain knowledge to use in civvy street. And that's all this post is about, no finger pointing at all.
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As others have written, the last thing our army (or similar public service) needs is unskilled labourers who don't want to be there.
A couple of my friends are in the army. This required their acquiring of all sorts of skills and training and peer-led experience in the field (or cities). It took years.
I'm not aware of any profession where unskilled, not necessarily willing humans are required. For £20,000 or so you could purchase a humanoid robot which will be vastly cheaper, easier, more reliable, and as trained as they need to be.
Voluntary service can be a great thing to do, but many people these days need a wage.
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I can't imagine there is much in the way of 'patriotism' amongst the young to agree to go/be prepared to be 'trained' to go to war; it would be interesting if a poll was done to see.
I really feel for the young who face the backlash of fiscal policies that has seen unemployment soar with far fewer secure jobs, poorer mental health and futures that look less secure with high rents and inability to buy their own homes, etc etc. What a bleak outlook for them. Completely different to when many of us reached adulthood.
Does being called up for National Service somehow give them the prospect of a brighter future? I somehow doubt it. Will they just see themselves as 'cannon fodder?'... possibly. And risk being sent to a war and to trust the logic and strategy (or more correctly, lack of) of Starmer, Trump, Netanyahu etc. We (UK) have no influence whatsoever in the direction of war, not when Trump's involved. It would almost be comedic if it wasn't so tragic.
They only have to look at how so very many veterans were not treated respectfully and with dignity after the service they've given in Iraq, Afghanistan etc (including homelessness, poor physical and mental health, the indignity of fighting for benefits etc etc).
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Neither of my Parents did National Service and they're both mid to late 70s.
It'll be 2 years in July since Dad was diagnosed with Dementia.
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What about work camps for everyone over the age of 30? No?
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Nearly everyone elderly? I should think the vast majority of elderly have done no military service. Even when National Service was running, only males were conscripted.
How people love to blame everything on the young. Instead of talking about what we think should be imposed on young people, suppose we talk, for a change, about what we think should be imposed on those of us who are middle aged or older?
Young people have had fewer opportunities to mess things up than their seniors. Both before and after Brexit happened, surveys about Brexit reported that those who supported Brexit thought it was worth it even if it resulted in lower incomes or cost people their jobs altogether. This was notably the case with older people talking about younger people's opportunities and lost jobs, even when considering their own young relatives. Brexit has come at an economic cost to the UK and the younger adults of today often were too young to vote in the referendum.
There is an interesting article from the Institute of Economic Affairs about the costs of national service, and not just the direct cost to the nation of paying for this. Here is a link in case anyone is interested
https://iea.org.uk/the-economics-of-national-service/
For example, a study of the former Dutch National Service found losses in life time earnings for those conscripted were up to 5% relative to those who were not conscripted. Studies in the US found even large affects. Studies have also found loss of national economic growth resulting from conscription.
The calls to bring back national service have echoed periodically ever since it was abolished, but I don't hear many saying they would like it to apply to them. I wonder if anyone wishes it had been resurrected when they were between 18 and 30?
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