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  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Online Community Member Posts: 689 Trailblazing

    What about work camps for everyone over the age of 30? No?

  • Autumnleaf
    Autumnleaf Online Community Member Posts: 979 Empowering

    Nearly everyone elderly? I should think the vast majority of elderly have done no military service. Even when National Service was running, only males were conscripted.

    How people love to blame everything on the young. Instead of talking about what we think should be imposed on young people, suppose we talk, for a change, about what we think should be imposed on those of us who are middle aged or older?

    Young people have had fewer opportunities to mess things up than their seniors. Both before and after Brexit happened, surveys about Brexit reported that those who supported Brexit thought it was worth it even if it resulted in lower incomes or cost people their jobs altogether. This was notably the case with older people talking about younger people's opportunities and lost jobs, even when considering their own young relatives. Brexit has come at an economic cost to the UK and the younger adults of today often were too young to vote in the referendum.

    There is an interesting article from the Institute of Economic Affairs about the costs of national service, and not just the direct cost to the nation of paying for this. Here is a link in case anyone is interested

    https://iea.org.uk/the-economics-of-national-service/

    For example, a study of the former Dutch National Service found losses in life time earnings for those conscripted were up to 5% relative to those who were not conscripted. Studies in the US found even large affects. Studies have also found loss of national economic growth resulting from conscription.

    The calls to bring back national service have echoed periodically ever since it was abolished, but I don't hear many saying they would like it to apply to them. I wonder if anyone wishes it had been resurrected when they were between 18 and 30?

  • Akhtar64
    Akhtar64 Online Community Member Posts: 11 Listener

    Not every one is cut out to be a fighter. How many times have we seen young men and women who have been bullied by the rough brigade in the forces and have ended up committing suicide. It would give these bullies a brilliant opportunity to practice their racism and sadist ides on the softer targets, There are better ways to train young people and get them working like skill centres, work experience placements and apprentice ships.

  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 349 Connected

    Work Camps? Won't happen, as I'm sure you're aware, there's a massive myriad of disabled people out there who are mentally and physically incapable of working, but the government are tryna force the poor sods to work anyway.

  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 349 Connected

    If Deform UK gets in, IMO I don't think the Country would be as free as we are right now, we'd probably officially become the 51st State of America, given that Farage is so far up Trump's you know what it's not funny.

  • Vogue
    Vogue Online Community Member Posts: 74 Contributor
  • Vogue
    Vogue Online Community Member Posts: 74 Contributor

    Yes the young generation have become to lazy and reliant on benefits

  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 349 Connected

    I hate to be picky but it's not their fault there's no jobs available.

    More places are firing than hiring these days.

  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 3,676 Championing

    Not all of them are "lazy and reliant on benefits." A lot of young people work extremely hard with long hours and the minimum wage.

  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 349 Connected

    Indeed, contrary to the guff printed in the likes of the Daily Mail, not every unemployed person is a workshy slave to the benefit system.

    As I mentioned earlier, it's very difficult to get a job at the moment, more places are firing than hiring.

    I have an appointment on Friday with Autism Plus in Town, arranged by email last week, I just don't think even they'll be able to help me due to the limited hours I can work and limited experience beyond working in Charity shops for retail experience.

  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 3,676 Championing

    @SheffieldMan1976

    Also in some areas that rely on the tourist trade, work is often seasonal and low paid but when the holiday season ends people tend to sign on.

    The work just isn't available to them and that doesn't mean they are too lazy or reliant on benefits.

    Good luck on Friday.

  • Santosha12
    Santosha12 Online Community Member Posts: 3,592 Championing

    I don't think anyone who is nearing 80 should be running the 'free world'. He should probably be in a nursing home; there's certainly an irony in how he criticised Joe Biden. Too distracted worrying himself about his gold drapes and ballroom construction 🙄. Anyone who thinks otherwise come back and disagree when we head towards WW3. In the meantime everyone are like rats in a sack concerned about 'what's good' for our young; I'm personally glad that they've got the intelligence to not be embroiled in such nonsense.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 1,366 Championing

    My 2 brothers served in Northern Ireland, one past now, the other in his 70s, Do you think younger people want to serve, and later find that Labour want you prosecuted for your service as they are doing for these and Iraq war veterans

  • Chris75_
    Chris75_ Online Community Member Posts: 4,814 Championing
    edited March 3

    And alot of nonsense went on in the north, not all of it for the betterment of mankind.