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PIP SSCS1 form

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leesteuk
leesteuk Community member Posts: 15 Listener
edited January 2018 in PIP, DLA, and AA

Hi im am new here so firstly "Hello Everyone"

Like many others here I have been refused PIP scoring 6 points for the living part and 4 for the mobility part,

My ATOS face2face went very well and the lady who was a nurse was really nice and reasuring(Or so I thought)

I asked for a copy of her report and it was full of lies and untruths ! BUT I covertly recorded my f2f so have evidence of her lies,

When I had my M/R I said I had recorded the f2f but this made no difference as my points stayed the same,

So now its onto Appeal !


What I want to know is, On the SSCS1 form where it says "grounds for appeal" Should I say I covertly recorded my ATOS face to face assessment and that it contradicts the ATOS report or not ?

Also is the appeal something I can handle myself or do I need legal help ?


Thanks

Lee


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  • algy194
    algy194 Community member Posts: 25 Listener
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    I too would love to know where people stand with covert recordings, as the same thing happened to myself   ..nice as pie then a report of lies 
    I think there is a point of Law that is something to do with a manuscript of a recording    ...but I never did find out. Yet I did read on Benifits & Work Forum Some lady did a covert recording and said it was important, but nothing else was ever published explaining this that I am aware of.
           Good luck    ..
  • leesteuk
    leesteuk Community member Posts: 15 Listener
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    Thanks Algy194

    I am a member of the works and benefit :)

  • leesteuk
    leesteuk Community member Posts: 15 Listener
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    Thanks Mikehughescq


    I fully intend to add the reasons why I feel I should be awarded PIP to the Appeals form,

    What I meant was should I also include in that the fact I covertly recorded my f2f ATOS medical OR should I not even bother to mention this ( in case it goes against me)


    Thanks

    Lee

  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 215 Listener
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    @leesteuk To know you have the evidence but cannot use it must be so frustrating for you.
  • leesteuk
    leesteuk Community member Posts: 15 Listener
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    Hi budgie


    Yes it is annoying but hopefully I will have enough to win my case, lets see !

  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 215 Listener
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    @leesteuk Good luck hope ya do 
  • leesteuk
    leesteuk Community member Posts: 15 Listener
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    Thanks Budgie2 so do I :)

  • leesteuk
    leesteuk Community member Posts: 15 Listener
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    Thanks for that Mike,

    I don't think I will bother mentioning it in the Appeal form after reading your comments, I did mention it on my Mandatory Reconsideration to the DWP and it didn't do any good as my points stayed the same. 6 for living and 4 for mobility.


    Thanks

    Lee

  • leesteuk
    leesteuk Community member Posts: 15 Listener
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    Mikehuges

    Have a look at this and what do you think ?

    http://www.pipappeal.com/

  • algy194
    algy194 Community member Posts: 25 Listener
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    Very well explained Mike, Thank you. I seem to be stuggle to understand Evidence, If say I have 11 conditions and there is medical evidence to prove these, So the medical conditions are not questionable, How do I prove how they effect me. Example I suffer  Mild Cognitive Impairment and have very poor memory I have explained this on the PIP2 Form and it's not been credited as a difficulty with any activity how do I prove what I have said when the Atos HP as not even recognised the condition, and say through out Unremarkable MSE no evidence of Cognition Issues  It even says on the MR report "No Medical evidence of a Cognitive issues " this is repeatedly said in report " & has not been listed in the Illnesses & disabilities, They have even got my age wrong on the very first page. How would I prove I stuggle to get dressed and I do need assistance, It takes me more than twice as long as it normally would when the Atos HP puts 2 points can use an aid When with 23 years of Osteoporosis Arthritis and now Diabetic Neuropathy I can not "medical evidence of conditions " What do I do to prove I need more than an aid 
      I need to get an understanding as the Atos HP report is lies   ..I will not mention Covert recording.  Again Thank you for your explanation Mike it makes Sence now. I just need proving to make the same Sence as I can't grasp it 
  • algy194
    algy194 Community member Posts: 25 Listener
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    Hi Mike Thank you for getting back to me, the thing is I have medical evidence from a specialist  Doctor from The Mental heath services " lets say page 68 bundle " which clearly states  M.C.I and it says this on my GP letter "Page 88"  also says this on a Clinical Psychology letter, "Page 93"  Plus how this and many other things effect me. It's all on the PIP2 Form it's like I need to rewrite what is clearly written which I did do on the MR. I'm finding it hard to re-write what I have said twice already if anything any descriptions have been exhausted I even sent Photos which you can't see on the photocopies in the Bundle, Could I resend them Or is that to much Or would they just be Photocopied again I just don't know.  I am trying to get a CAB appointment but I've been told I have only 1 month from the date on the DWP Bundle pack with me asking for a Paper Appeal, so if this is correct the Bundle was dated 6 days before I received it I don't have much time at all you see.
      Is that the sort of thing you mean regarding evidence. Plus I have a letter from the person who took me to the Atos Assessment "page .." which says plenty regarding knowing me for years how heath problems effect me and what actually happened at the Assessment is that not evidence I have already submitted 
         I feel I will be treated the same as by the DWP it is make me feel that way. But is that the sort of thing you mean regarding evidence.
             Many thanks again Mike for your help 
  • algy194
    algy194 Community member Posts: 25 Listener
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    Thank you again Mike for your help, I am starting to see what you mean it is very difficult for a Paper hearing to get what is a fact regarding how a condition is proven the way it effects daily functions, The hospital Where & when is evidence but only if you have the paperwork to prove this actually happened" it's not just Hearsay, is that correct regarding proving. The more I read what you have said Mike my understanding is slowly getting better, Or is it. I can see why Paper appeals even though some win them is very difficult as apposed to an Oral hearing, so if I disagree with just using a shoe horn to help me get dressed because I have had Arthritis for 23 years I need assistance from another person, Unless I have a letter from the person who helps me, When, how often etc it's worth nothing is that correct. Due to me M.C.I I left a pan on, Worth nothing ..Due to my M.C.I I left a pan on the Fire Brigade came = When, Where, = point's I can not cut vegetables to make a simple meal due to Arthritic Pain, Worth nothing in a paper appeal, I can not open ready cut fresh vegetables packets due to Arthritic Pain like I can't open open Blister packs with my medication, not sure if that's a example in reality, but it's the same thing or is it. This is very difficult Mike I have noticed some activities are similar in structure of physical movement, But there is noway I could go to an Oral hearing. The medical evidence only suggests I can't regardless of many medical conditions. Thank you again Mike for your explanation it has really made me see things in a different light to how I was thinking
  • algy194
    algy194 Community member Posts: 25 Listener
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    Again Thank you Mike,  Your advice is explained very well. Unfortunately for myself an Oral tribunal is out of the question, even the friend who took me to the Atos Assessment agreed that route is not realistic Mentality for me as it would be 12 months plus of daily endless worry. So I will see if I can get a quick CAB cancellation, it might help if it happens, But not if its 1 month from the date on the DWP Bundle pack is correct.  I think that would be common knowledge People would be well aware putting Paper appeals in, in time I'd have thought.   Would an ESA HP report that States needs assistance with Bowel incontinence "Very well worded too" not show one HP as a completely different view on this condition as apposed to an Atos HP    ..wouldn't do any harm with such a low chance percentage wise 'It's that one month thing that's got me though 
       Many thanks Mike it's good to be able to be seeing the true picture of what appears so incredibly difficult If I had more time I could get another letter from GP upto date which would say poor grip. But to be honest I've had enough what will be will be.
           Your knowledge is exceptional Mike and put across so you can see how the system is 
          Kindest regards Algy 
  • algy194
    algy194 Community member Posts: 25 Listener
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    Again Thank you Mike, this really is an education. I would ever have found out so much and I've looked at what I thought was a lot of relevant information ..I was nowhere near. I can see there logic Health vs Income but for me no I have to draw the line on that, I wish I could go all the way. The Stress and worry stops it has to Mike. I am glad that people are strong enough to see it through but for me this has to end. It has taken over to much Thank you Mike Algy
  • algy194
    algy194 Community member Posts: 25 Listener
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    Well as you said Mike success rate is appalling. I managed to get CAB to help & it was good, to the point and pointed out what was missed ie proof of M.C.I which was said there was no medical evidence of, in other words rewritten what I had myself but in a diffrent fomat which I was very grateful for. Top Man knew how to go about it. The HMCTS received appeal on 12th Feb, got the decision today 23rd Feb "very quickly"  no joy it's as if it wasn't even looked at. 
       Thank you for all your help Mike and explaining how it is 
            Kind regards Algy. I just need to put this behind me now 'far from easy but I must, health
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