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Pip Assessors Report . Review the claim again in ? years .

dottydottydottydotty Member Posts: 294 Pioneering
edited February 2018 in PIP, DLA and AA
Hi   On my PIP  Assessors  report the last page has a section -." Based on the claimants  likely future  circumstances ,it would be appropriate to review the claim again in ?  years ".      Mine says review award again in 8 years ,   Does this sound right .?    I will be  72  in 8 years time,  i did wonder if it was meant to be  8 months as I will have reached 65 in 8 months time .  Hope this makes  sense .

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  • Lasian_ScopeLasian_Scope Member Posts: 660 Pioneering
    Hi @dottydotty

    Hopefully our benefits advisor will be able to comment soon. Have you contacted the department to check if it is correct?
  • wildlifewildlife Member Posts: 1,314 Pioneering
    @dottydotty, You don't really need to know what it means as the timescale is on the decision and may be changed anyway. I'm 67 and the assessor said 3 years till review but the decision maker changed it to 4 years. The timescale they give you could be that they expect a claimant to get better but for old fogies like you and me (only joking) they expect you to get worse. If you question the timescale they will say it's just to check you're getting the right amount of benefit. Once you're given PIP you're on it for life unless your condition changes for the better. They don't review it just because you turn 65 and they wouldn't give anyone PIP for only 8 months. I don't know if you've got your decision letter yet. If you have check what the timescale is on there. If not wait till you get it and then compare it to what the assessor has suggested.     
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    wildlife said:
    @dottydotty, You don't really need to know what it means as the timescale is on the decision and may be changed anyway. I'm 67 and the assessor said 3 years till review but the decision maker changed it to 4 years. The timescale they give you could be that they expect a claimant to get better but for old fogies like you and me (only joking) they expect you to get worse. If you question the timescale they will say it's just to check you're getting the right amount of benefit. Once you're given PIP you're on it for life unless your condition changes for the better. They don't review it just because you turn 65 and they wouldn't give anyone PIP for only 8 months. I don't know if you've got your decision letter yet. If you have check what the timescale is on there. If not wait till you get it and then compare it to what the assessor has suggested.     
    im 64 award for 3years now review at two years  no way in the world can i get better  dwp think im ill capita think an opinion will give me a new life ????so the old fogey bit does not cover me hahahaha
  • dottydottydottydotty Member Posts: 294 Pioneering

    wildlife  Thankyou  the assessor cured  all my ailments and said I will remain fully intact for another 8 years ,, consequently my award for both care and mobility has been taken  away from me . Just wondered if 8 years seemed a long time ?, and if the assessor realised that in 8years time I wouldn't qualify for Pip anyway .  

  • dottydottydottydotty Member Posts: 294 Pioneering
    Also  have been reading a few articles about Capita assesssors  purposely withioding medical evidence or not asking  requesting it at  the assessment .This may have been my downfall along with the ommissions  /discrepancies .   The Dwp  decision maker  said as much in her write up on"  how she made her decision."   .  MR  is underway and a huge pile of medical papers sent with it .  Along with complaint to Capita .
  • dottydottydottydotty Member Posts: 294 Pioneering
    maid08  Hope you get to keep your award .  Have you had your assessment .
  • wildlifewildlife Member Posts: 1,314 Pioneering
    @dottydotty good luck with your MR. It sounds like you are doing all you can in the face of lying, cheating assessors. Atos assessors are just as bad and they're all getting away with it. Let's hope things change soon. It's gone on far too long. I'll be 70 when I'm assessed and I absolutely know I was robbed of 3 years of higher rate Daily Living because the assessor lied about my upper body strength and falsified exam results. I should be grateful for what I got when there are others who are robbed of any award when they desperately need it. It's criminal. However no matter how much or little you've lost out on the feelings of injustice are still the same and every time the pain hits me when I'm struggling to prepare veg. or feeling unsteady when letting go of the one and only rail I have in the shower to wash I think about how I was treated. Don't they know you need 2 hands to wash your hair in a shower!!!!!! Of course they do they just choose to forget it as it doesn't fit their plan to keep you off benefit. Rant over....  
  • dottydottydottydotty Member Posts: 294 Pioneering

    wildlife  the assessor put review again in  8 years ,  the decision maker hasn't  altered it . My award should have run until this July , But award ended abruptly . I am of the opinion assessor has got my report mixed up with another .reasons I am referred to as a HE in the observation , and also in a couple of descriptors  reasons . plus other random observations . Could this be possible ?  it was the Friday before  New Years bank holiday weekend  and he was in a rush ?

  • dottydottydottydotty Member Posts: 294 Pioneering
    wildlife  you are so right , 2 hands to wash your hair , I have reduced mobility in both arms and cannot wash my own hair , but assessor seems to think I can . Last assessment got high rate care low mobility . and now zero . it makes a mockery of the whole system . RM decision is eagerly awaited  but I am not hopeful .  I cant fight what my assessor has reported as he is very high ranking . or was . They wont take my word against his .
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi   On my PIP  Assessors  report the last page has a section -." Based on the claimants  likely future  circumstances ,it would be appropriate to review the claim again in ?  years ".      Mine says review award again in 8 years ,   Does this sound right .?    I will be  72  in 8 years time,  i did wonder if it was meant to be  8 months as I will have reached 65 in 8 months time .  Hope this makes  sense .
    HI,
    With PIP you will continue to be re-assessed regardless of age, unlike DLA. With DLA when you reached 65 you were no longer re-assessed and you kep that award. The amount of time it states on your award letter is correct and you will be re-assessed 1 year before that award is due to end.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • dottydottydottydotty Member Posts: 294 Pioneering

    poppy123456  hi   yes  my last award was for 4 years  should have ended june ,2018.,I was reassessed in Dec 2017 and my award was stopped scored only 2 points ? ,,  and the assessors  suggested time for review 8 years . I just cant fathom this out . after being on  ESA  DLA and then PIP. .

  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    maid08  Hope you get to keep your award .  Have you had your assessment .
    nope its now on5 march but i will give a guarantee i lose it because im not going to play games the aceser will give me full name  profession reg number or they are hitting the garden path and a note taken of reg of car and search done for insurance company to see if insured for business use   easy to do when u know the right people if not will report for no insurance and hit run  i can lie to to ruin someone's life capita bailifs mostly have no insurance for work use



  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member

    wildlife  Thankyou  the assessor cured  all my ailments and said I will remain fully intact for another 8 years ,, consequently my award for both care and mobility has been taken  away from me . Just wondered if 8 years seemed a long time ?, and if the assessor realised that in 8years time I wouldn't qualify for Pip anyway .  

    brill you recovered so fast just meeting acesser  we need to get you on teli  and in all nat papers christ that person can cure us all and no need for hospitals doctors consultants just use them  capita atos will make a kiling  one word cures all 
  • dottydottydottydotty Member Posts: 294 Pioneering
    maido8  you sound as if you have the fighting  spirit and an investigative mind , Good luck  for 5th March.
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    maido8  you sound as if you have the fighting  spirit and an investigative mind , Good luck  for 5th March.
    my coment was what i gave capita and dwp before i threw myself against the wall they thought i was being a clever ****  and ended call but im finding hard to fight now   i do not want another stroke like last time this rubbish was happening

  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    i have fought all my life it seems BUT WHY  ??did i ask to be so ill or so worn down  did i ask to bury my son father sister to the same illness did my brother ask the same as he worse than i am ???i need to chart with your acesser can u give me his name and reg number??this would be funny if not so sick a joke on us

  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    i said to capita and dwp the same thing about acesser they did not like it and hung up on me   seems the only joke they like is destroying us

  • dottydottydottydotty Member Posts: 294 Pioneering

    maid08    so sorry for all your losses . Your health will have taken a tumble .Do they ever stop to think how life  events effects us .Not just the physical side but mentally .Hope you find the strength to fight the system  and give the assessessment 100% .   Are you going to ask for it to be taped ./ recorded .?


  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member

    maid08    so sorry for all your losses . Your health will have taken a tumble .Do they ever stop to think how life  events effects us .Not just the physical side but mentally .Hope you find the strength to fight the system  and give the assessessment 100% .   Are you going to ask for it to be taped ./ recorded .?


    thanks dottydotty and i so wish you luck in sorting out youer probs with benifits and life ??as to recording yes i will be  but not openly  it sems as long as hidden tape transribed  courts will accept it ?but  to be honest  this time the assessor is in for a shock  i have nothing to lose? am going to have hidden cams i plus will not be made a fool by doing childish acts to prove im not dead  and at end of acessmant will be handing hp a soliciters letter pointing out any facts inserted found to be false wil result in  them personally being sued also if they refuse to give id and refg stration num they will be out the door ??i have had enough now  and  they can suffer the stress and harm  back my naighbour is a security proesinol who has system that looks on movement and auto focus in on it so car and regg will be noted as will person  then if anything incorect utube will be fun
  • wildlifewildlife Member Posts: 1,314 Pioneering
    @maid08 Thanks for the ideas about stopping the lies. You've given me and hopefully others a good idea about the solicitors letter. OK you have to pay for the letter but if it get's you the right benefit it will be paid back many times over and the saving in stress will be huge. I would hand the letter over at the beginning as all the online tick boxes have been done by the end and the truth will have to be what the assessor then remembers rather than recording it as it's given to them.  
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    wildlife said:
    @maid08 Thanks for the ideas about stopping the lies. You've given me and hopefully others a good idea about the solicitors letter. OK you have to pay for the letter but if it get's you the right benefit it will be paid back many times over and the saving in stress will be huge. I would hand the letter over at the beginning as all the online tick boxes have been done by the end and the truth will have to be what the assessor then remembers rather than recording it as it's given to them.  
    thanks, wildlife you just give me the idea  yes prob better to hand it over first and se the reaction an honest assessor will cary on with acesmant a lier will pack up and leave and a solicitors letter is from 25to 50quid so is worth every penny  as long as we remember these people are not gov employees but working for private company

  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Member Posts: 5,257 Disability Gamechanger
    i doubt the use of a sollicitors letter would be of benefit
    it is not evidence
    if given at the start the HCP may decide that you are being uncooperative and stop the assessment
    they do not have to accept it at the end

    cr
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    and im sure if the intention to lose you benifits that will put a burdon on hp even if told to alter by capita or atos  after all sueing hp  will be easy a judge will make them attend court and want answers to how they can diagnose someone by sight  and when they have no qualification in problem given  ???what can they say apart from admit defeat  and face paying my 6000 loss to date plus reminder of award im due ??i have in the past taken cars and household goods from peaple puling a fast one so wont feel sory for hp at all
  • wildlifewildlife Member Posts: 1,314 Pioneering
    @CockneyRebel I do understand what you are saying but firstly can I mention that as you have not had a bad decision made by the DWP which came about because of the dishonesty of an assessor it may be difficult to understand why those of us who have feel so desperate to not want this to happen to us again. I have had a life time of problems to sort out after bringing up two disabled boys in the days when their disabilities weren't recognized. I have also looked after all the affairs for elderly relatives and worked as and been a carer myself. Sticking to the rules which requires a certain amount of backing down on the part of the claimant is not always the best way to deal with the benefit system. If I'd done that I would have now been on standard PIP for both components and would be feeling doubly hard done by as I managed to increase my mobility to what it should have been had the assessor not lied. I'm not sure what is the best way to let an assessor know that I am not going to put up with lies written about me last year. However by the time I am reviewed, when I will be saying certain new conditions have appeared and other things have got worse, I will be doing just that! 
  • wildlifewildlife Member Posts: 1,314 Pioneering
    @maid08 I know how you feel but please be careful and think through what you are going to do. A woman has just won a court case against an assessor for the lies told about her but CockneyRebel is probably right about how the assessor will react to a letter being given and does not have to accept it. So I take back what I said but it's up to you. Maybe less obvious ways of safeguarding against having incorrect things written about you would be better than being openly confrontational. 
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    hi wildlife nope they do not have to accept it they can just walk out but remmber taped filmed   not rude not angry just ask polite please read before we start if they then leave they were liers so u lost nothing  if honest there is no problem one thing i will point out my helper will be a district judge who i used to spend weekends with  he loverly chap  bet they wont claim he a lier as they would me

  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    strange it seems they instill fear in what they might do  but think they can do it freely  when cought out atos capita say they been sacked  thats to protect them not us

  • wildlifewildlife Member Posts: 1,314 Pioneering
    @maid08 OK well you've got the right people supporting you so good luck and please let us know how you get on.
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    wildlife said:
    @maid08 OK well you've got the right people supporting you so good luck and please let us know how you get on.
    can only trymates booked me in for date so  im hopeing he does not get a case elsewere or he cant be with me 

  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,980 Disability Gamechanger
    I think we need to clarify a couple of points urgently. 

    1) It is not the case that a tribunal will accept a transcription of a covertly obtained recording. To date there has been precisely one case of which anyone is aware where a court decided to accept such a document. There’s no evidence at all that it in fact influenced the tribunals decision in any way, although that was the inference from the media story. 

    2) As others have observed, presenting a solicitors letter to a HCP before an assessment is a fools errand and may actually end very badly indeed for a claimant. The reasons for that are as follows:

    - a solicitors warning letter at the stage when literally nothing has been done is pretty much meaningless. A solicitor will doubtless take your money and write whatever you want but there’s no offence nor potential offence at that stage and the letter itself may as well be written by your dog. You can’t show a criminal offence and there’s certainly no financial loss at that stage. 
    - contrary to the assertion above by @maid08 it’s unlikely a HCP will walk away. What they usually do is treat your refusal to participate without their accepting your conditions as a straightforward “failure to attend”. They’ll not commence the assessment and will record an FTA. That will then lead to a probable sanction by a DWP decision maker. What you then have on your hands is a likely appeal for which you could be waiting months. That’s before you’ve even had the assessment! You would most likely win the appeal (few sanctions are overturned at MR) but think very carefully before taking this line as there is absolutely no guarantee you would win and, if you didn’t, then that’s your PIP claim dead in the water unless you fancy taking it to UT and a minimum wait time for a decision of 6 months to a year or longer. 
    - what you’re actually talking about here is a letter before action. You don’t need. solicitor to do an LBA but the thing is that there’s simply no action to be taken. You can’t show an offence or a loss and you have no recourse via the courts for factual inaccuracies as you already have the MR and appeal process to use to challenge on that front. You also can’t sue the individual. They’ll be covered by corporate insurance. Good luck proving, for example, negligence. There’s unlikely to be a duty of care to begin with either.

    It is far easier to simply let the assessment run its course and use your time constructively to be clear which points you ought to score and why; what you’re supporting evidence is. Make sure you’re also familiar with the DWP PIP assessment provider guidance. If you’re then unhappy with the final decision you have the options of 

    a) MR and appeal for challenging the decision.
    b) a complaint to the provider about any clear breaches of guidance.
    c) a complaint to the. HCPs professional body if you can demonstrate misconduct etc.

    Do not assume for a second that any of these are foregone conclusions. They are not.

  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,980 Disability Gamechanger
    Not true that covert recordings are routinely accepted by tribunals. One media story about an appeal where such evidence was accepted but no evidence it even influenced the final outcome.

    A solicitors letter to a HCP is a potentially dangerous strategy. Firstly it’s just a letter before action and you don’t need a solicitor to do that. Secondly, there’s no action. You have no decision; no assessment; no evidence of wrongdoing; no financial loss. Thirdly the HCP will not walk away. They will decline to accept you dictating terms and unless you agree to go ahead they’ll treat you as a failure to attend and DWP will likely sanction you. Challenging that sanction could take 18 months or more (if you have to go to UT) and if you fail then your PIP claim is dead and you’ve not even had the assessment. 

    Far better to be clear which points you ought to score and why; what you’re supporting evidence is and then, if you’re not happy with the outcome you have the options of 

    - MR and appeal for the decision.
    - complaint to assessment provider if guidance breached.
    - complaint to the relevant professional body for the HCP if misconduct etc. can be demonstrated.
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    Not true that covert recordings are routinely accepted by tribunals. One media story about an appeal where such evidence was accepted but no evidence it even influenced the final outcome.

    A solicitors letter to a HCP is a potentially dangerous strategy. Firstly it’s just a letter before action and you don’t need a solicitor to do that. Secondly, there’s no action. You have no decision; no assessment; no evidence of wrongdoing; no financial loss. Thirdly the HCP will not walk away. They will decline to accept you dictating terms and unless you agree to go ahead they’ll treat you as a failure to attend and DWP will likely sanction you. Challenging that sanction could take 18 months or more (if you have to go to UT) and if you fail then your PIP claim is dead and you’ve not even had the assessment. 

    Far better to be clear which points you ought to score and why; what you’re supporting evidence is and then, if you’re not happy with the outcome you have the options of 

    - MR and appeal for the decision.
    - complaint to assessment provider if guidance breached.
    - complaint to the relevant professional body for the HCP if misconduct etc. can be demonstrated.
    today i have sat and listened to  a judge  that judge states a transcripted page done by a soliciter can and should be used   because if  from previous dealings with a private company you have suffered loss and that company seems intent on creating further loss and you can prove so ??i can on previous dealings  then a court or tribunal  will acept it as its evidance in youer case appeal or claim  im sory but giveing the things you say should be done was done with same result nothing??this time i will fight so its not  and why should we be honest when the other side will not be  complaining to relivant controling body is useles thats been proven and being delt with by  gov department or mp  as to last comment pip acessmant will be dead no its not  as you can put in again for same benifit with new illness starting the wj hole farce over again BUT knowing by then just how stacked it is against you so can be just as clever and under hand as capita atos or dwp

  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    edited February 2018
    prob with us is being honest and thinking we are dealing with honest peaple we are not we are dealing with cash hungry fake peaple intent on that new car or house or luxuary life on a wage we could not dream about  payed by gov  we are told over and over any false  claims will result in prosecution for fraud  yet peaple working for latrge lump of cash per day are falsey ing claims to harm us for being honest without fear of prosecution ??? thats acessers AND mike you cannot tell acessers what points or anything else you can only give how you are day to day but that bit is ignored confirmation from dwp  no docters consultandts paperwork no use we use an opinion to make our decision that comes from a medical profeshinol  and if need be i can demand copys of calls  as each i rung noted time date and person on line calls in are recorded calls out from dwp are not althogh most staff think nothing is recorded  but it is


  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,980 Disability Gamechanger
    I’ve previously stated that there’s no point in recording unless you get it independently transcribed so your judge is correct on that. It doesn’t need a solicitor to do that. There’s no evidence it would help any more than someone who transcribes for a living as, in reality, the solicitor will sign off on the transcription but it’ll be done by someone else.

    They are incorrect in saying that all tribunals will accept such a transcription. I agree it ought to be the case (and increasingly may be) but only one is known to have and, as I’ve already said, there’s no actual evidence it made any difference. 

    Intent to create further loss is neither here nor there until you’ve been through the assessment. If they refuse to accept your letter and deem that you fail to attend (and they will) then I’m afraid you’re wholly incorrect to say that the claim would not be dead. Unless you appeal and win at some stage then that specific claim is absolutely dead in the water. Do you have a spare 3 to 24 months to pursue that?
    At the end of that, at best, you then still have to have an assessment and go through the rest of the process. If that also needs an appeal...

    Your only option if you get an FTA decision (and don’t challenge it or win) is to submit a new claim. Say goodbye to any arrears if you do that. Your new claim, if successful, would only run from the date of the new award. You are also confusing PIP and ESA. There’s no requirement to have a new condition before making a new claim to PIP.

    Whilst i agree there’s evidence that complaints to professional bodies are not being dealt with correctly the opposite is true of complaints against the assessment providers. Successful complaints can and do result in changes to the recommended points so they’re always worth doing if there are grounds.

    Finally, I didn’t suggest that you tell the assessor which points you’re entitled to. I was saying that the least you need yourself is to know which points you’re entitled to and why. If you don’t know your own case and the basics of the law then you’re halfway to damning your own case before the assessment begins. It’s fascinating how many people on here are convinced they’re being done out of money by an evil process but if you ask them what they ought to have scored then they have no idea!!!

    The key point here is that most tribunals know how poor HCP reports are. All this effort in trying to pre-empt a poor process is misplaced. Your time will always be better spent understanding what your own case is and understanding how to present it.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,980 Disability Gamechanger
    Oh and at no point am I telling anyone not to fight. I’m using my experience as a WRO to explain what the correct battles are. The ones you can win.
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    edited February 2018
    Oh and at no point am I telling anyone not to fight. I’m using my experience as a WRO to explain what the correct battles are. The ones you can win.
    just a note on what you said 1 i know what i should have goten a know how much lies cost me  i know my pip will stop straight after acessmant and how much it will cost me i also know three consultants were gobsmacked at last acessmants results and i aldso know why i had last one looked at dispite mr failing  purely as the  daft dm sighned my papers   her mistake  meant i was able to point out i could and would take her to court    she then relooked at my case rung on a sat morning exsplaing she had awaerded enought points for both lower is that satisfactory to me ??now after all the hassel lies from them till that time i had a sress related stroke so   i think i know its fight or stop  instead of  listening to peaple on here who prob had it easy   refering to youer comment half won't know what points or a mount they lost should have sorry if this affends but a walefare rights person told me that yes you need medical documants and consultants  and any evidance  that helps dm make his decision ??all wrong i have it in writeing from dwp they use only acessers report as a fully qualified medical profesinol and there is no point in this advice it is a complete waste of time 
    - complaint to assessment provider if guidance breached.
    - complaint to the relevant professional body for the HCP if misconduct etc. can be demonstrated.
    Read more at https://community.scope.org.uk/discussion/40571/pip-assessors-report-review-the-claim-again-in-years#QEFGd76Bsm4MVp1X.99


  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    edited February 2018
    i keep all documants and send copys or vice verus  so  im able to point out what is sense or not acesmant provider capiyta  ? both acessers unreg  indeed one claimed not known or working for them  ??complaint  recaived   same reply all are profesinol working under dwp lines ?? complain to dwp ? but you are employed by dwp acessers employed by you so you are responcible   reply all are qualified ???  but hang on this report completed and sighned by youer acesser ?we do not employ them no idea who they are    last comment they may not nbe in country anymore duhhhh yep do it properly till you crack up


  • kasskass Member Posts: 65 Connected
    I got pip in 2016 and had my assessment with Astor my assor was a nurse I got standered rate care from DLA low care high mobility 

    I have got pip for 3 years as my condions could change I have siaciter and I fall all the time siaciter will never get better only get worse I been have ithrits in my knees and little grip in my fingers...its says in my report

    Can't use my aims very well or hold anything for long time 

    I got 4 points for upper body but nothing for lower body even it says in report I need help with lower body got 2 points for prepare or cook a meal cant even old a pan washing a bathing 3 points and only 4 point for moving around on mobilty part.....i did put in for a reconstruction but it never changed I still get the standered rate care 

    I hope I'm one of the cases with all other cases what gets looked at again with the courts taking DWP for wrongly being assisted.....

    Thank You 







     
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    kass said:
    I got pip in 2016 and had my assessment with Astor my assor was a nurse I got standered rate care from DLA low care high mobility 

    I have got pip for 3 years as my condions could change I have siaciter and I fall all the time siaciter will never get better only get worse I been have ithrits in my knees and little grip in my fingers...its says in my report

    Can't use my aims very well or hold anything for long time 

    I got 4 points for upper body but nothing for lower body even it says in report I need help with lower body got 2 points for prepare or cook a meal cant even old a pan washing a bathing 3 points and only 4 point for moving around on mobilty part.....i did put in for a reconstruction but it never changed I still get the standered rate care 

    I hope I'm one of the cases with all other cases what gets looked at again with the courts taking DWP for wrongly being assisted.....

    Thank You 

    hi kass i do not think they will be looking at anything other than traveling or planing a journey ?? i had 8 for mobility nothing for journy acesser said i could plan and do without a prob which is a lie as my form stated i could not nor should i concider it as to rest of youer claim i got nil upper body nil lower  nil bathing although cant lift legs into bath cant cook  full stop its done for me my grip at time of acessmant was nil due to stroke but she said i picked aup a bit paper no prob ???but  try not to worry   about youer this early they will contact you later in the year for review  and hopefully you will fly thru it






     

  • kasskass Member Posts: 65 Connected
    When I went for my assessment my sister came with me as I have athrits is my knees they give in some times and I'm scared to go out alone in case I fall by this was not said in my report my condition is going to get worse and when it do i have to do a change in how my condition effects me I'm scared if case they stop my pip all together 
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    kass said:
    When I went for my assessment my sister came with me as I have athrits is my knees they give in some times and I'm scared to go out alone in case I fall by this was not said in my report my condition is going to get worse and when it do i have to do a change in how my condition effects me I'm scared if case they stop my pip all together 
    please do not worry about it  you have a fair while till they send you a review letter   then just  deal with it then i upset them so are acting mean   but as long as you  deal with fact it should be fine 

  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    kass said:
    When I went for my assessment my sister came with me as I have athrits is my knees they give in some times and I'm scared to go out alone in case I fall by this was not said in my report my condition is going to get worse and when it do i have to do a change in how my condition effects me I'm scared if case they stop my pip all together 
    please dont panic it will be fine they will send you a review leter then you can see docter get letter and show acesser but worry wont help you now xxxxx
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,980 Disability Gamechanger
    maid08 said:
    Oh and at no point am I telling anyone not to fight. I’m using my experience as a WRO to explain what the correct battles are. The ones you can win.
    just a note on what you said 1 i know what i should have goten a know how much lies cost me  i know my pip will stop straight after acessmant and how much it will cost me i also know three consultants were gobsmacked at last acessmants results and i aldso know why i had last one looked at dispite mr failing  purely as the  daft dm sighned my papers   her mistake  meant i was able to point out i could and would take her to court    she then relooked at my case rung on a sat morning exsplaing she had awaerded enought points for both lower is that satisfactory to me ??now after all the hassel lies from them till that time i had a sress related stroke so   i think i know its fight or stop  instead of  listening to peaple on here who prob had it easy   refering to youer comment half won't know what points or a mount they lost should have sorry if this affends but a walefare rights person told me that yes you need medical documants and consultants  and any evidance  that helps dm make his decision ??all wrong i have it in writeing from dwp they use only acessers report as a fully qualified medical profesinol and there is no point in this advice it is a complete waste of time 
    - complaint to assessment provider if guidance breached.
    - complaint to the relevant professional body for the HCP if misconduct etc. can be demonstrated.
    Read more at https://community.scope.org.uk/discussion/40571/pip-assessors-report-review-the-claim-again-in-years#QEFGd76Bsm4MVp1X.99


    I’m not going to take offence so no need to apologise but, no, you’re making assertions. You’re guessing that your PIP will cease immediately after your assessment when a decision is made. That’s a guess understandably based on your previous experience but it is a guess and not a fact until it happens. Trying to prevent things happening on a case that haven’t actually happened yet is just misdirecting yourself to no gain and potentially creating way more stress and (especially) delay than is needed.

    The advice you had from a welfare rights person was correct but... the best evidence for a PIP claim is your own anecdotal evidence of the impact of your conditions. That’s the single most persuasive thing. However, if there are specifc gaps in the evidence then other evidence (not necessarily medical), which addresses those gaps directly, can be vital. I am of the view that WRAs who say you can’t succeed without medical evidence and who put the emphasis on that are demonstrably wrong. 52% of successful claims succeed without any medical evidence. Advice that you must put in medical evidence is wrong. Advice that you should put in medical evidence directed to addressing specific gaps is good advice. Whilst a DM may prefer the evidence of a HCP they cannot ignore other evidence and an appeal tribunal usually won’t either.

    You have also misunderstood your DWP correspondence. You are incorrect in assuming DWP only consider the HCP report. If your supporting evidence went in with your claim pack then it should be scanned and uploaded so the HCP can see it before your assessment and can take it into account. Sadly that upload often fails and, even when it doesn’t, HCPs almost never have the time to read the masses of (often irrelevant) medical reports claimants send in. If the diagnosis itself is not disputed then consultants reports are largely irrelevant as they don’t specifically address daily living or mobility and it’s absolutely legit for both a HCP and a DWP DM to give them little weight. That’s not the same as spitefully or deliberately ignoring them.

    DWP decision and MR decision letters are computer generated at speed and under pressure. They will often say that they only used the claim pack and the HCP report when that isn’t what they did at all. 
  • kasskass Member Posts: 65 Connected
    Thank you for your reply 
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,980 Disability Gamechanger
    kass said:
    When I went for my assessment my sister came with me as I have athrits is my knees they give in some times and I'm scared to go out alone in case I fall by this was not said in my report my condition is going to get worse and when it do i have to do a change in how my condition effects me I'm scared if case they stop my pip all together 
    The key question is not whether you are scared of falling. It’s whether you have actually fallen and what the consequences of that were. They’re two different things.
  • kasskass Member Posts: 65 Connected
    I did fall my legs give in I have doctor report my leg swollen and my back 
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,980 Disability Gamechanger
    Have you fallen repeatedly? Have the consequences ever been anything more than minor injury?
  • kasskass Member Posts: 65 Connected
    I have fallen lots of times not just with my legs given in I have some wrong with my bones in my back what runs down the leg and I get pins and needles due to a birth defect 


    I can't sit very long or stand to long too can't even sleep as it very painfully I have sciatica very very painfully 
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    maid08 said:
    Oh and at no point am I telling anyone not to fight. I’m using my experience as a WRO to explain what the correct battles are. The ones you can win.
    just a note on what you said 1 i know what i should have goten a know how much lies cost me  i know my pip will stop straight after acessmant and how much it will cost me i also know three consultants were gobsmacked at last acessmants results and i aldso know why i had last one looked at dispite mr failing  purely as the  daft dm sighned my papers   her mistake  meant i was able to point out i could and would take her to court    she then relooked at my case rung on a sat morning exsplaing she had awaerded enought points for both lower is that satisfactory to me ??now after all the hassel lies from them till that time i had a sress related stroke so   i think i know its fight or stop  instead of  listening to peaple on here who prob had it easy   refering to youer comment half won't know what points or a mount they lost should have sorry if this affends but a walefare rights person told me that yes you need medical documants and consultants  and any evidance  that helps dm make his decision ??all wrong i have it in writeing from dwp they use only acessers report as a fully qualified medical profesinol and there is no point in this advice it is a complete waste of time 
    - complaint to assessment provider if guidance breached.
    - complaint to the relevant professional body for the HCP if misconduct etc. can be demonstrated.
    Read more at https://community.scope.org.uk/discussion/40571/pip-assessors-report-review-the-claim-again-in-years#QEFGd76Bsm4MVp1X.99


    I’m not going to take offence so no need to apologise but, no, you’re making assertions. You’re guessing that your PIP will cease immediately after your assessment when a decision is made. That’s a guess understandably based on your previous experience but it is a guess and not a fact until it happens. Trying to prevent things happening on a case that haven’t actually happened yet is just misdirecting yourself to no gain and potentially creating way more stress and (especially) delay than is needed.

    The advice you had from a welfare rights person was correct but... the best evidence for a PIP claim is your own anecdotal evidence of the impact of your conditions. That’s the single most persuasive thing. However, if there are specifc gaps in the evidence then other evidence (not necessarily medical), which addresses those gaps directly, can be vital. I am of the view that WRAs who say you can’t succeed without medical evidence and who put the emphasis on that are demonstrably wrong. 52% of successful claims succeed without any medical evidence. Advice that you must put in medical evidence is wrong. Advice that you should put in medical evidence directed to addressing specific gaps is good advice. Whilst a DM may prefer the evidence of a HCP they cannot ignore other evidence and an appeal tribunal usually won’t either.

    You have also misunderstood your DWP correspondence. You are incorrect in assuming DWP only consider the HCP report. If your supporting evidence went in with your claim pack then it should be scanned and uploaded so the HCP can see it before your assessment and can take it into account. Sadly that upload often fails and, even when it doesn’t, HCPs almost never have the time to read the masses of (often irrelevant) medical reports claimants send in. If the diagnosis itself is not disputed then consultants reports are largely irrelevant as they don’t specifically address daily living or mobility and it’s absolutely legit for both a HCP and a DWP DM to give them little weight. That’s not the same as spitefully or deliberately ignoring them.

    DWP decision and MR decision letters are computer generated at speed and under pressure. They will often say that they only used the claim pack and the HCP report when that isn’t what they did at all. 
    okay so what you are saying is everything is fine they go on facts and reports and at reconsideration will just look at facts and award me pip?  but if not appeal will in a years time  look at all paperwork then say yes this man is ill and give me benefits ????  and the paperwork from dwp is wrong and they lied that they do not need medical facts they request from us or that acesser is only one they listen to  and when dwp tell you  you are not affected by heart lungs and arterys  being shot  or you cant walk  and physio says rubbish  he fit and well they ignor that and award pip ??is this correct i do not know you but what im reading from a former welfare rights officer sounds bit like you make exscuses for what they do ???ohhh just another thought  we have welfare officer local  his view was  no the dwp do not treat peaple like this nor do acessmant companys   you prob never had enough evidence ?????? life expectancy of 5 to 9 years   but won't put in writing as my condition means i could die while writing this  dwp said everyone can die anytime   im not doing this for fun im doing it because of treatment i had and am having from  supposed qualified people  who lie to get cash while killing me and us now if i was confirmed near death say this month  dwp words we would fast track the process brill aint it
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,980 Disability Gamechanger
    Nope, I’ve not said any of that and I’m not a “former” WRO.

    The fact you’re still largely referring to your impairments and not the points scoring consequences suggests you have yet to identify the specific points you should score and may well have focused on gathering irrelevant evidence in consequence. 

    You appear to be misinterpreting most everything you’ve been advised on so sadly I doubt there's anything I can usefully add. 
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,980 Disability Gamechanger

    kass said:
    I have fallen lots of times not just with my legs given in I have some wrong with my bones in my back what runs down the leg and I get pins and needles due to a birth defect 


    I can't sit very long or stand to long too can't even sleep as it very painfully I have sciatica very very painfully 
    Okay so, as I understand it, you’re saying that you’ve fallen lots but there have been no serious consequences? That would not ordinarily be a scenario which would score points on the basis you need assistance to go out alone to overcome your fear of falling. 
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    Nope, I’ve not said any of that and I’m not a “former” WRO.

    The fact you’re still largely referring to your impairments and not the points scoring consequences suggests you have yet to identify the specific points you should score and may well have focused on gathering irrelevant evidence in consequence. 

    You appear to be misinterpreting most everything you’ve been advised on so sadly I doubt there's anything I can usefully add. 
    let me ask you a question re evidence i collected ?? do you mean heart consultant stroke?  phisciretrist and reports of mri scans   and having acresmant with legs three times normal size no arm feeling re stroke? and full exsplation on  affects of illness   given befor acessmant ?? to dwp who say supply it  then send out to me a physio to ask me to do certain things like stand up  check eyesight  pic up bit paper then they ignor everything and put 8lies   FAIL ??? now on review  as legs worse breathing worse now must suply further evidance  as stated on form  so were do i go from here????? i have spoken to case worker dwp  and told get from docs and physio  

  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    you keep on about points but you cant get points unles you get a truthful aceser you can argue on mr  but then u fail as   you can tell them i should had 8for this 12for that  4for that but you would never beleave this  they say the acesser says you can do it all ??i might sound as if im concentrateing on  illness   but im just thinking  if you fill in supply evidence  thats what they should acess you on because they ignor it all when some  person says he was okay the 20mins i saw him and  as to eyesight well  perfect ???nope blind in one half vision in other  so u see im stuck   only because im a lier but a lier  on 700quid a day aint and i am noteing points you say so do not think im ignoring youer advice its a pity you were not local you could look at my paperwork and then understand why im mad
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    edited February 2018
    sory  when i filled in form i put every way it affects me daily  and nightly re chest and machine that pushs air into me when lieing down  and from stangding to getting up ?? and statemant from helper here everyday strange thing is nothing on the acessers report or mention of it in fail from dwp planning a journy or doing one nope exsplained why in full  litle comment as talking about it was its my choice to go to shop or not    shop half mile away i cant walk 50yards 


  • dottydottydottydotty Member Posts: 294 Pioneering
    maid08  your assessment on March 5th  is this a home visit .    My reassessment was changed to a home visit  ( by  Capita ) as I could not do the journey alone or accompanied .   and yet my Capita assessor scored me nil points for mobility . This in itself is a contradiction .  What do you think / ?
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    maid08  your assessment on March 5th  is this a home visit .    My reassessment was changed to a home visit  ( by  Capita ) as I could not do the journey alone or accompanied .   and yet my Capita assessor scored me nil points for mobility . This in itself is a contradiction .  What do you think / ?
    mine was 28th in cardiff in big building were its quarter mile walk from transport on 2nd floor so i rung said no channce on phone they say home now on 5th but i emailed today ready for them to confirm in writing home cos they might deny it???i would say contridiction but you cant exsplain their ways or thoughts

  • dottydottydottydotty Member Posts: 294 Pioneering
    maid08  thankyou ,  you are so right ,  you cant explain their thoughts . hope you assessment goes well .  keep us posted .  I will update when I get my  MR decision letter . 
  • dottydottydottydotty Member Posts: 294 Pioneering
    Maid08   I'm sure ive read on  a post on here  that you can ask  who will be assessing  you and what their occupation medical knowledge is , .prior to assessment .
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    Maid08   I'm sure ive read on  a post on here  that you can ask  who will be assessing  you and what their occupation medical knowledge is , .prior to assessment .
    yes i was told the same but they refused to tell me  which i think is a bit one sided ??had letter this morning haha after i emailed yesterday so crossed wires  saying home visit   5 3 18 strange as i only told them cant go to other place ?states we looked and decided home visit  last time they wanted docters letter confirming icould not attend  and again i must supply evidence to aid my claim   just as before   ie docters or others  im eaither nuts or completly baffled at advice given on another post were its implyed i am concentrateing on illness not points ?points mean prizes but you cant fix the game
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    maid08  thankyou ,  you are so right ,  you cant explain their thoughts . hope you assessment goes well .  keep us posted .  I will update when I get my  MR decision letter . 
    ohh i deffo will  from start to finnish of it ??
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,980 Disability Gamechanger
    For ESA there are specific conditions which require a specialist. That needs to be sorted in advance. Thus a discussion takes place. For PIP there’s no such equivalent requirement so no need for an advance discussion. At the assessment you can ask but it doesn’t really set the tone so it’s far better to ask when you request a copy of the HCP assessment.
  • maid08maid08 Member Posts: 307 Member
    Nope, I’ve not said any of that and I’m not a “former” WRO.

    The fact you’re still largely referring to your impairments and not the points scoring consequences suggests you have yet to identify the specific points you should score and may well have focused on gathering irrelevant evidence in consequence. 

    You appear to be misinterpreting most everything you’ve been advised on so sadly I doubt there's anything I can usefully add. 
    Oh and at no point am I telling anyone not to fight. I’m using my experience as a WRO to explain what the correct battles are. The ones you can win.

    Read more at https://community.scope.org.uk/discussion/40571/pip-assessors-report-review-the-claim-again-in-years#qXRqRghizjsElYJf.99

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