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PIP Appeal Submissions/Further Evidence

keirakeira Member Posts: 136 Courageous
Do the tribunal service send copies of your submission/further evidence to the DWP. If so, is it likely that they would revise their decision and stop the appeal if they thought your evidence was strong enough?

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  • janice_in_wonderlandjanice_in_wonderland Member Posts: 265 Pioneering
    Hi @keira
    Sorry I don't know but this is a very good question I would also like to know the answer to as well 
    I hope someone else can help perhaps @CockneyRebel
    may be able to answer as I've observed he's been really supportive with answering in the past 

  • keirakeira Member Posts: 136 Courageous
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,369 Disability Gamechanger
    When you appeal, your submission is included in the appeal papers put together by DWP, which they send to HMCTS for distribution to all parties. Anything added after that is sent to HMCTS. They update the papers and distribute to all parties and that will include DWP. 

    They can revise their decision at any time regardless of what stage it’s at. Back in the day it used to happen. Not often, but it was possible. Nowadays they will put in black and white that they have no such power, which is absolute nonsense. Only an absolutely damning intervention is likely to change their mind. Their definition of damning is largely removed from reality. So, most probably, you’re going to an appeal hearing.
  • sleepy1sleepy1 Member Posts: 299 Pioneering
    Hi @keira, in answer to your first question yes the tribunal service do send a copy of everything that you send them to the DWP and vice versa they send you a copy of everything they receive from them.

    In answer to your second question I don't think it is usual practice for DWP to revise a decision and stop an appeal, however this has recently happened with me. I recently received a letter from TS to say my appeal (for PIP) had lapsed and when I rang them to ask why they said because the DWP had revised their decision but could not give me any details.  My award was restored and a back payment made which was such a relief....... Until I got another lot of forms to fill in and another letter from Atos/IAS to attend another f2f. 

    Not sure what they are playing at other than trying to cause as much stress as possible.  As if we don't have enough to contend with already?

    Best wishes X Rosie
  • keirakeira Member Posts: 136 Courageous
  • keirakeira Member Posts: 136 Courageous
    The tribunal service must be pretty pissed off with the DWP!
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,369 Disability Gamechanger
    Yes. Across the board. The “no brainers” which go to appeal. The quality of the appeal papers and the new Presenting Officers.
  • keirakeira Member Posts: 136 Courageous
    What's the answer though?

  • sleepy1sleepy1 Member Posts: 299 Pioneering
    Hi @mikehughescq
    Hope you are well, I am so slow at typing did not see your earlier post before I replied to keira.
    It is so helpful for us to have someone like you on this forum who has so much experience and gives up so much time to direct people to the right information, your a shining star X

    New Presenting Officers??
  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Member Posts: 5,258 Disability Gamechanger
    DWP have employed about 100 "officers" to attend tribunals
    A further waste of money

    CR
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • janice_in_wonderlandjanice_in_wonderland Member Posts: 265 Pioneering
    @CockneyRebel
    Thank you for adding this info
    Tribunals are uncomfortable as it is so even more intimidating challenges for many to go through 

  • sleepy1sleepy1 Member Posts: 299 Pioneering
    Hi CR, another shining star.......perhaps I should put that on the poetry thread ; )

    What is the reasoning behind this new SWAT team I wonder!  Obviously their wages and expenses will need to be covered from "someone".  Do you know if they have already been sent into action?

    Hope your wife is recovering well after her op and you are feeling better now X Rosie


  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Member Posts: 5,258 Disability Gamechanger
    Thanks Rosie
    She came home yesterday minus an elbow

    I understand that the presenting officers are being deployed now. They seem only to be sent where there is a case for them to argue and as many claims should not have reached the appeal stage in the first place it does seem to be a waste

    CR
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,369 Disability Gamechanger
    They were there originally to support tribunals in understanding decisions. The new ones are there to defend decisions so neutrality has been abandoned. Fortunately the experience thus far is that they don’t understand the decision; the law or the case law. Largely they are a laughing stock.
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