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Is it harder to transfer as oppose to being a new claimant?

whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
Just a pondering. I do get these random thoughts pop up from reading threads. You will get used to them.  :)

So, a fair few people appear to lose benefit and need to do the MR route.
I wonder if it's the thinking that you are transferring/ moving when you are actually a new claimant as well? 
The benefits have similarities but differences. Being on DLA initially is likely to go against you in a strange way- bear with me.

DLA forms asked you what you would spend the money on if you were successful. I filled all that in.
They encouraged you to have hobbies, go out with friends, they were going to offer you extra money to enable all these things you couldn't currently do. You were encouraged to socialize. 

Then they change it all to PIP and the above goes against you! You are considered as able to function and communicate and mix with others. 
Result no benefit. 

I can't help but think that not only is the PIP designed to not award points, it's relying on those on DLA to have some sort of life. Result no benefit. 
It's possible that a percentage don't satisy PIP because they have altered it. What the government hasn't said is what benefit these people are then entitled to, unless it's ESA premium or something. 
I am still waiting on my assessment points. I will go the MR route if it looks like it's wrong. But, it is possible that I don't satisfy the descriptors enough. I bet you I scored 7. Will let you guys know. Hindsight, which I'd asked when I called. Reality I forget things.

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  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Member Posts: 5,257 Disability Gamechanger
    The diffuculty is that any people that transfer from DLA don't understand the requirements for PIP especially if they have been on a lifetime award for many years.
    New claimants have nothing to compare PIP to which possibley makes understanding a bit easier

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  • lillybellelillybelle Member Posts: 469 Pioneering
    That’s why it is better to get somebody who know what they are doing to fill it in. Or at least get some advice first
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    Yes I have gone from a lifetime award to PIP. 
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  • Tricia1912Tricia1912 Member Posts: 41 Courageous
    Hi Whistles. I’m on DLA for my shoulder and neck. But now my circumstances have changed because of mobility problems. I agree with what you say about DLA wanting you to socialise but if you have poor disability and are in more pain that’s the last thing you want to do. I would think. To go out and go somewhere we’re there are lots of steps or stairs is a nightmare for me. To sit on a straight chair for a couple of hours going for a meal is the same. I’m worse socialising to be honest if that makes sense. I would love to be able to do that.  
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    My carer changed the week before the assessment.
    Chances are that's had an impact because the new one won't know me. 
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  • NystagmiteNystagmite Member Posts: 608 Pioneering
    Hi Whistles. I’m on DLA for my shoulder and neck. But now my circumstances have changed because of mobility problems. I agree with what you say about DLA wanting you to socialise but if you have poor disability and are in more pain that’s the last thing you want to do. I would think. To go out and go somewhere we’re there are lots of steps or stairs is a nightmare for me. To sit on a straight chair for a couple of hours going for a meal is the same. I’m worse socialising to be honest if that makes sense. I would love to be able to do that.  
    And if you try to socialise under PIP, (even online) then you're penalised.
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    Exactly.
    You are considered as functioning if you can use a computer and can communicate.
    I was asked if I did online banking. I don't even know what that is, do you use the Internet. For people who struggle to go out its a connection with the outside world.
    Communicating here doesn't mean I can talk to you, it's typed. 
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  • NystagmiteNystagmite Member Posts: 608 Pioneering
    As an adult with multiple hearing issues, it's difficult to properly interact (and therefore communicate) face to face. But because I dare to communicate online and have what seems to be obscure hearing issues, (i was asked what one of mine was) I can't have hearing problems. It's most odd that my friend (who has no medical qualifications) has picked up on the issues I have.

    I do online banking. But only because it's so much easier to transfer money online than go out. Oh sorry, if I go out, I don't have mobility issues...

    Are we allowed a life at all? Or do we just have to stare at the same 4 walls 24/7?
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    I wasnt asked to cook at the assessment so I guess that's a judgement based on that fact I said I could use a microwave. Both on paper and f2f. That aspect of my condition hasn't changed.

    But as pip is function based I then wonder if that led them to assume I could operate anything mechanical, digital, complex and therefore I can manage day to day because I can eat and switch the heating on? 

    I wouldn't know you had hearing issues from reading your posts. That's the thing with hidden conditions. 
    I certainly couldn't decide your life in one hour, I actually wouldn't want the assessors job.
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  • lillybellelillybelle Member Posts: 469 Pioneering
    I was asked if I cooked, obviously I don’t as it’s not safe if half the time I’m not properly conscious ( absences)
    she kept on- what about a sandwich or a piece of toast as the toast pops up.
    when I told her that I have no toaster, no microwave or electric kettle as we have an Aga , she eventually moved on to next subject
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    edited March 2018
    I have a special kettle which I guess is an aid. Maybe things started to go wrong when I opened my mouth.  :(  Using an aid shows you are capable doesn't it. That's the whole point of life though, to enable yourself to do things. 
    However it says can you cook a simple meal using fresh ingredients, sadly no. Embarrassing to have to admit, but here I feel you guys will understand and most likely others can't either. 
    There are lots of us who can't manage to cook? 
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