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Questions about assessors report

autumnsmumautumnsmum Member Posts: 9 Listener
edited April 2018 in PIP, DLA and AA
HI I wonder if anyone can give me some info on pip...so I had my f2f around 5 weeks ago.....obv he's lied on majority if the questions I told him I need prompting to take my meds and he's put no issue...I told him I can't control my toilet needs when I'm out and his reply was "well u don't go out so it's no issue" but then in another question asking if I manage meeting new people I told him no obv I have severe anxiety and he's put that I manage to meet people yet how can I when he clearly said I don't go out in a previous question so anyway according to his lies I get 2 points for daily living when 2 yrs ago I got 7 and its got worst however my mobility on his lies again I've got 8 points however this is just off the assessors report I've had no official decision letter....what are my chances of those 8 points staying at 8 or going down? Thanks for any responses and hope everyone is having a lovely day. X

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  • autumnsmumautumnsmum Member Posts: 9 Listener
    I meant 8 points not 7 I got 2 answers of b which are 4 each.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,987 Disability Gamechanger
    You haven’t “got” anything. It’s a recommendation but a decision maker looks at that plus your claim pack and any other submitted evidence. No way of second guessing the outcome.
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    What evidence did you supply with the promoting for medication? Who reminds you?
    Do you need prompting for other things? 

    You met a new person and you communicated with the assessor.
    That's pretty much how they see it I'm afraid. 
    Everyone is nervous of the assessment.

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  • autumnsmumautumnsmum Member Posts: 9 Listener
    I never said I'd got anything I said the points on the report thst ive requested from the assessors add up to is 8 for mobility and 2 for daily living I've even said myself in MY post that I've had no actual decision yet I know it can go either way and I know it's down to someone who's never met me to make that decision....my partner as to prompt me to take my meds...i cant wash myself...I can't cook....i can barely walk without stopping within 5 mins of setting off...my meds are 100mg of sertraline a day as given by mental health gp....I take 50mg of tramadol 4 times a day and 2mg of diazepam which is accessible to those who wish to see my medical reports...I've had occupational therapist involved who's had to get housing to adapt my home aswell...I'm under physio....I've had counselling and my child on a child protection order due to me attempting to jump in front of a lorry just over 12 mths ago so clearly my mental health is NOT normal yet 2 yrs ago when it wasn't that bad I got 7 points yet now it's worst it's dropped to 2 obv a m.r is in line and no doubt yet another appeal.
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    People assume the assessor has lied if they disagree with you.
    You might have said you need prompting, you might get prompted- but if you haven't given a reason as to why or evidence of what happens if you are not. They might feel you don't. 
    The assessor felt I didn't need prompting based on the assessment and evidence I submitted etc.


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  • autumnsmumautumnsmum Member Posts: 9 Listener
    He said I don' take medication when it's there to be seen so yes he lied. I do agree with some of his answers so it' not like I'm sayin everything is lies it' just let' face it they do make it look like someone like me is trying to screw the system yet I've being ill since 1997 at age 17 after losing my siblings I've lost two children which made me worst and here I am 21 yrs later no better at all a person who refuses to go out...I dont' take my child to school I don't do activities with her and as for me meeting him and being fine...yes I was in my own sodding house my safe haven not a office and my partner was upstairs so I had security.
  • lillybellelillybelle Member Posts: 458 Pioneering
    Usually the decision maker goes word for word with the assessor and what is written on the report.
    go for. MR once you have your results if you are not happy.
    if you can get some help from a charity that deal with disability benefits
    All the best, don’t give up the fight 
  • autumnsmumautumnsmum Member Posts: 9 Listener
    I'e being awarded mobility which I'm happy about it' better than nothing.
  • Pippa_AlumniPippa_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 5,851 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @autumnsmum, welcome to the community!

    I'm so sorry to hear things have been difficult lately. You are a member of our community and we appreciate you. If you are having thoughts of suicide, it is important that you discuss them with someone who is qualified to help. Please call the Samaritans on 116 123 (free) or email them at [email protected]. You might also benefit from reading MIND’s information on how you can help yourself.

    It's good to hear that you've been awarded mobility - if you do decide to appeal and would like any support or advice with this, please do let us know. 

  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    They won't be looking up your medical reports. 
    You did send them copies of an up to date prescription?


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  • autumnsmumautumnsmum Member Posts: 9 Listener
    Yes all proof as stated I was awarded mobility
  • sdoc94sdoc94 Member Posts: 140 Pioneering
    They looked up all my medical reports without me sending them in.
    Shady.
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    Difficult one.
    Nobody can actually tell you what to do, that's got to be your choice.
    I got enhanced and since I will be going through all this again in two years time, left it alone. 
    I have that time to destress - is that a word? And prepare for next time. 
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  • lillybellelillybelle Member Posts: 458 Pioneering
    Mine was changed at MR
    they do look at your whole award, I had enhanced mobility at the time with no daily living
    its upto you to decide how much you think the decision was wrong.
    I honestly thought I would be going to tribuneral and was quite worried about them lowering my mobility award.
    but I decided if I didn’t try they had won and I would of lost approx £5000 in 2 yrs.
        But I think I’m quite a strong person where as others couldn’t cope with the worry.
    Good luck with whatever you decide.
  • autumnsmumautumnsmum Member Posts: 9 Listener
    Yeah I'm too scared to ask for a Mr so gunna stick with whatthyve awarded me it' better than nothin it could have beig worst tbh I've got it for 4 yrs then assessent again.
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    When I did the self tests I scored myself what the assessor did. I was under the standard.
    So that's another reason. The result probably wasn't wrong.
    My everyday life is effected, it just didn't fit those questions the majority of the time, I have issues outside the boxes- typical me! 
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  • autumnsmumautumnsmum Member Posts: 9 Listener
    Yeah I'm same my daily living is worst than mobility and they gave me 2 points but last time I got 4 points whic baffles me cos it' no better but knowing my luck I'll lost what they have awarded me so gunna just be thankful I got something especially how some worst than me get nothing I don' want to jinx it. X
  • april123april123 Member Posts: 137 Pioneering
    @lillybelle what was your award before  and after MR , I'm hoping my boss in favour as don't think I'm going to appeal

  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    Yeah I'm same my daily living is worst than mobility and they gave me 2 points but last time I got 4 points whic baffles me cos it' no better but knowing my luck I'll lost what they have awarded me so gunna just be thankful I got something especially how some worst than me get nothing I don' want to jinx it. X
    And in this case the DWP will claim that they made the right decision as no MR was asked for! This just proves how wrong the DWP statistics are when they say that the majority of claimants accept that what they were awarded was correct.

  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    Because everyone is terrified of losing benefit completely. That's wrong Imo. 
    Then a lot of things about pip is wrong, no money for five weeks is another one that gets through the ' bad timing' nets. Even an advisor said this to me!! 
    Sorry I digress there.
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  • lillybellelillybelle Member Posts: 458 Pioneering
    Hi april123
    i scores 12 mobility and 6 daily living
    after MR I scored 12 mobility and 8 daily living
    i have uncontrolled epilepsy.
    i used to get middle rate Dla and low mobility.
    so I’m now actually better off on Pip than Dla
    the only prob is the award is until 2021 where as Dla was for life.
    Hopefully things will get better by the time we get to the year 2000
    and some of the unfair rules have changed
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    After every MR (three so far) I am put back on what I had with DLA 5 years ago Enhanced Mobility & Care. What annoys me is that they insist of short terms for difficulties that have been evident since 1995!! Little mobility in 1995 and still little mobility yet they insist in giving me 3 years, to be reviewed every two years.
    What on earth do they expect - a new spine to be inserted?

  • autumnsmumautumnsmum Member Posts: 9 Listener
    Fully agree there yadnad obv spinal arthiritis for me will never get better my mental health as being around since 1997 and only a yr ago I attempted to end my life...clearly that didn' get better...they clearly have no idea on these illnesses and expect us to just snap out of it.. glad u got yours reinstated 
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,987 Disability Gamechanger
    Yadnad said:
    After every MR (three so far) I am put back on what I had with DLA 5 years ago Enhanced Mobility & Care. What annoys me is that they insist of short terms for difficulties that have been evident since 1995!! Little mobility in 1995 and still little mobility yet they insist in giving me 3 years, to be reviewed every two years.
    What on earth do they expect - a new spine to be inserted?

    It remains as it always was that if you don’t explicitly make the point then they won’t address it. You do a claim or MR in which you ask them to explicitly identify the evidence which pointed towards a short term award. They;; either do so or cave. I do this on cases regularly. I have never yet had them come back with “oh it was this”. They just cave.
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    edited April 2018
    Thanks Mike I just didn't realise that I could ask them that. I just assumed that both the assessor and the Decision Maker would use a bit of common sense. 
    Turning it on it's head if they 'cave' so much, why do they go for just the shortest possible award period when they must know it is wrong and inaccurate? Is it to make extra work for ATOS, or is it just laziness on the part of the DWP?

    I do wish that people like you who can offer so much fantastic advice are more abundant around the country instead of it being not only a lottery to manage to get into a CAB office within the time limits but also never getting to see anyone that knows what they are talking about.

    It seems that beyond Birmingham going north there seems to be more help readily available.
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    Mine is fluctuating so likely why it's only three years.I could go either way. I believe initially that my DLA was only short.

    I do think I got the right award. PIP was designed to cut benefit and remove it off people who got DLA before.
    If all  the DLA questions were included in the PIP criteria, I would have scored 8 points. What got taken out was what gave me middle rate Imo. 
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  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    edited April 2018
    whistles said:
    Mine is fluctuating so likely why it's only three years.I could go either way. I believe initially that my DLA was only short.

    I do think I got the right award. PIP was designed to cut benefit and remove it off people who got DLA before.
    If all  the DLA questions were included in the PIP criteria, I would have scored 8 points. What got taken out was what gave me middle rate Imo. 

    Now I can understand your logic. But with non fluctuating conditions why don't they offer a longer term.
    As an example. I have permanent frontal lobe damage which changed my personality from being calm to aggressive which is heavily medicated for - that was 23 years ago. The DWP accept it for one benefit but don't believe that it exists for a different benefit.
    Then beyond all doubt as evidenced by the spinal unit, pain clinic Xrays, CT scans etc I have a severely damaged lower spine. This happened in 1981. It became more of an issue in 1993 when trying to walk anywhere. I have had surgeons look at the evidence with them telling me that nothing can be done and that eventually I will be in a wheelchair permanently. The DWP consistently offer me a 3 year term of PIP to be reviewed every 2 years.

    Anyhow enough said I know that without good quality Welfare advice I am going to get nowhere. Just thank the Lord that I found this website.
       
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,987 Disability Gamechanger
    Yadnad said:
    Thanks Mike I just didn't realise that I could ask them that. I just assumed that both the assessor and the Decision Maker would use a bit of common sense. 
    Turning it on it's head if they 'cave' so much, why do they go for just the shortest possible award period when they must know it is wrong and inaccurate? Is it to make extra work for ATOS, or is it just laziness on the part of the DWP?

    I do wish that people like you who can offer so much fantastic advice are more abundant around the country instead of it being not only a lottery to manage to get into a CAB office within the time limits but also never getting to see anyone that knows what they are talking about.

    It seems that beyond Birmingham going north there seems to be more help readily available.
    Common sense? In the benefits system? Missing in action for a mere 70 years. If you find some let me know :)

    There’s a political assumption that it plays badly with certain parts of the electorate if you’re seen to give anybody something which appears to lack the rigour of regular checks. I make a point of addressing the potential length of award in every claim pack I complete. 
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    edited April 2018
    Hi Mike that was a tongue in cheek comment but having said that In all of the years I have claimed one benefit or another (IIDB & DLA from 1995 & ESA from 2009) on the whole the DWP have given me what I honestly believed was the right award without having to go to a Tribunal. Even with ESA the first decision was 0 points but when I pointed out to them the evidence that I had sent in did not support that decision they revised it to put me in the Support Group for 3 years.

    I have absolutely no objections to being tested and retested at intervals befitting the difficulties I have and the prognosis given by my medical advisors. 
    To continually retest me every 24 months is beyond a joke as is the removal of my award then be given it back again because I asked for a MR. Even the Vauxhall dealership finds it funny when I turn up one month to hand the car back and a few months later get another new one only to restart the same some 12/15 months later!

    Again I never knew that I could challenge the term, in fact I can't still find any reference to doing so on the CAB or similar websites nor is it mentioned in the notes to the PIP2 or on that form itself.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,987 Disability Gamechanger
    Culturally we’re at a point where a lot of advice services find it so hard to get to grips with stuff like PIP that they seem to have adopted an approach which sees any award as some kind of triumph. It’s adopting the language she thought process of those in power as opposed to being independent of it. Thus any award is a good award even if it’s on the wrong basis; the wrong amounts and/or the wrong period. I’m not of that culture and nor will I ever be :)
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    Culturally we’re at a point where a lot of advice services find it so hard to get to grips with stuff like PIP that they seem to have adopted an approach which sees any award as some kind of triumph. It’s adopting the language she thought process of those in power as opposed to being independent of it. Thus any award is a good award even if it’s on the wrong basis; the wrong amounts and/or the wrong period. I’m not of that culture and nor will I ever be :)
    Hi Mike it does seem that way. 

    You never know that whilst visiting family in Urmston when I need a bit of face to face advice Salford is just around the corner!!!
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,987 Disability Gamechanger
    Residents only I’m afraid :)
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    There we go then! Salford 1 Canterbury 0
  • redhead53redhead53 Member Posts: 35 Connected
    hi i can tell you my acesser was nuts and must be reg as a lier?? so i wrote a very good complaint to the director general of dwp london  lo and behold i had another acesmant?done by a da they are trainers of acesser he gave me enough points from 6 and 2 to over 24 hence enhanced  try it it may work for you

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