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Can you get enchanced Motability for mental health

AFBAFB Member Posts: 64 Courageous
edited May 2018 in PIP, DLA and AA
Hi
My mum suffers from different mental health and I'm currently appealing her PIP. We received a appeal date in 3 weeks time. I wanted to know can a person who suffers from severe depression, psychosis and severe anxiety be eliglible for enhanced rate of PIP as she unable to go out of the house without someone. Any advice would be helpful.

Thanks

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  • dee4848dee4848 Member Posts: 218 Pioneering
    edited May 2018
    @AFB The highest would be 10 points if she has no mobility problens
  • Lasian_ScopeLasian_Scope Member Posts: 660 Pioneering
    Hi @AFB,

    Rethink has given some information on getting mobility rates for mental health reasons, and how that will be impacted by the recent court rulings.

    From my understanding of it, it can be very difficult at the moment for people to get the enhanced rate for mental health reasons, but that should hopefully be changing soon.
  • AFBAFB Member Posts: 64 Courageous
    Hi @Lasian_Scope
    Thanks for the advice and weblink.
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    Are you appealing standard to enhanced without knowing if you fit the criteria? 
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  • AFBAFB Member Posts: 64 Courageous
    Im appealing to enhanced as she was awarded nothing for motability. Ive seen the criteria but need advice to see if i was correct. As she unable to make a journey that familiar to her without assistance. Any advice @whistles
  • dee4848dee4848 Member Posts: 218 Pioneering
    edited May 2018
    @AFB  does she have difficulty walking ?
  • dee4848dee4848 Member Posts: 218 Pioneering
    @AFB The descriptor your saying applies to her scores 10 points she will need 12  or more to  be awarded Enhanced
  • AFBAFB Member Posts: 64 Courageous
    @dee4848 Thanks for the advice
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    dee4848 said:
    @AFB The highest would be 10 points if she has no mobility problens
    This is not correct, sorry. Lots of people claim Enhanced mobility for following and planning a journey, my daughter is one of them.
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  • dee4848dee4848 Member Posts: 218 Pioneering
    edited May 2018
    dee4848 said:
    @AFB The highest would be 10 points if she has no mobility problens
    This is not correct, sorry. Lots of people claim Enhanced mobility for following and planning a journey, my daughter is one of them.
    Just read bk yes the descriptor F might apply
  • dee4848dee4848 Member Posts: 218 Pioneering
    edited May 2018
    @AFB sorry I'm a bit behind on reading post ..Yes descriptor F will apply to her
  • AFBAFB Member Posts: 64 Courageous
  • AFBAFB Member Posts: 64 Courageous
    Hi @poppy123456
    So people with severe mental health problems can get ehanced rate of motablitiy for planning and journey.
    Thanks
  • dee4848dee4848 Member Posts: 218 Pioneering
    It will all depend on why she carnt for any descriptor
  • AFBAFB Member Posts: 64 Courageous
    Oh thanks for reply @dee4848
  • dee4848dee4848 Member Posts: 218 Pioneering
    @AFB I myself is the same as your mum I was awarded 10 points descriptor E and 4 for moving around . I got descriptor E because of the phsicoligical distress .
  • AFBAFB Member Posts: 64 Courageous
    I understand it more clearly now. Thanks for support and advice. @dee4848
  • dee4848dee4848 Member Posts: 218 Pioneering
    @AFB Good Luck for your mum 
  • AFBAFB Member Posts: 64 Courageous
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    AFB said:
    Hi @poppy123456
    So people with severe mental health problems can get ehanced rate of motablitiy for planning and journey.
    Thanks
    Yes, indeed they can. My daughter claims it because she's never been out alone and she's 17. She can't count money, or tell the time either. If she went out alone and got lost she wouldn't know what to do. For example she couldn't use a timetable because she can't tell the time. She's not road safe either and doesn't understand what she has to do to cross the road safely. She has support workers that help her to go out a couple of times a week.

    Not everyone with mental health can successfully claim Enhanced mobility, it totally depends on how that person is affected by the mental health.
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  • AFBAFB Member Posts: 64 Courageous
    Thanks @poppy123456 for advice. Yeah my mum pretty much the same since she had mental health she lost her mental capacity and I have power of attorney as she no longer able to make decision her due to lack of capacity. Hopefully my mum can get enhanced rate. Thanks for help.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You're welcome. Just make sure you send that evidence. Good luck.
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  • AFBAFB Member Posts: 64 Courageous
    Hi @poppy123456
    Yep. Just sent more evidence today showing them that I have power of attorney.
    Thank you for your support.
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @poppy123456
    That doesn't read as a MH condition that reads as a learning disability. And yes would be enhanced from what you have said. Interestingly in your case I suspect the cannot budget would have had an impact as well because they wouldn't know what money to use to get on the bus.



    Hi @AFB
    Lacking capacity/cognitive impairment is not necessarily a mental health impairment. For an MH impairment you must show that you cannot plan due to an extreme psychological distress and cannot follow the journey (places you know well or places you do not) due to an extreme psychological distress. 
    So in theory if the person lacks capacity they wouldn't be planning or making any journey to get distressed in the first place under MH? 
    Just thinking outside the box here in what the dwp might be thinking.. Did they give a reason for the points. Have you new evidence to argue with?

    Good luck with it.

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  • AFBAFB Member Posts: 64 Courageous
    @whistles if the person lacks capacity which they unable to plan a journey without support of another person then I'm sure sje can get enhanced rate as the descriptor states for 12 points cannot follow the route of a familiar journey without another person, an assistance dog or an orientation aid. 
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    That's the part you could argue then, the capacity and provide proof of to support it? 
    Which you probably already have though.

    It's sort of obvious to me that they should have got it, it's almost hard to see why they didn't! 

    But the dwp don't look at the obvious it has to be spelt out simply as in the Ladybird Jack and Jill books. 
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  • AFBAFB Member Posts: 64 Courageous
    @whistles Yes you are correct. DWP need to be told in baby language in order to understand. Thanks for the advice. 
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    AFB said:
    @whistles Yes you are correct. DWP need to be told in baby language in order to understand. Thanks for the advice. 

    Surely not?
    And the government put them in charge of the Welfare budget? There's no hope!

  • AFBAFB Member Posts: 64 Courageous
    edited May 2018
    @Yadnad Yes, there no hope with this government. As they only discriminated against the vunerable and disabled people in society. So there never goimg to be hope with conservative government. 
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    Forget the current shower in power, Labour was no different. They devised ESA which saw a lot of sick people being told to get a job!
    In a way I feel sorry for a lot of MP's & councillors. They have there own opinion of what is right and what is wrong. Yet  they have to follow party dictum if they want to keep their job. One good friend and colleague was elected as a Labour councillor. After 2 years she thought that the grass was greener on the opposite side so she went over to the ruling Conservative benches. Now one year later she has fallen out of love with that party and intends to stand at the next election in May 19 as an independent.
    Unfortunately she like myself will never win a motion. At best we will be content to challenge what we feel is wrong and hopefully convince others to go against whatever party flag they stand under. 
    As an example I sit on a committee that oversees the development of the town. The conservative motion was to sell off some council owned land to the highest bidder and also take a % of the sale price of the houses to be built on it.
    I challenged that and warned them that I would not be party to the sale if low cost housing was not built on it instead. I advised them that I would personally inform the local press of their intention to sell off land owned by the council to build £600k houses on the site.
    I won, but allowed the Conservative chair to take the glory saying that it was his idea from the start - oh yea!

      

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