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What’s the difference between a PIP Report Writer and a DA

kah22kah22 Member Posts: 52 Courageous
edited May 2018 in PIP, DLA and AA
Can anyone tell me what is the difference between a PIP Report Writer and a DA (I take that to be Disibility Assessor)

Both are mentioned in my Report. I’ve checked Capita jobs and I don’t see any as Report Writer. It was the RW who signed the assessment 

Kevin

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  • wilkowilko Member Posts: 2,284 Disability Gamechanger
    When you have your face to face accessment the health professional will write up their report and at the start it should say who they are and their qualifications, the report is then sent to a DM desision maker who reads the report and awards your benefits usually on the findings of the report. 
  • kah22kah22 Member Posts: 52 Courageous
     This was a Paper Based assessment.   

    My reason for asking. The PBA (on MH grounds) and the actual assessment report is signed by A.Person physiotherapist and she is defined as a Report Writer.

    Calls were made to our Psychiatrist by B.Person who was described in one place as a DA (which I take to mean Disability Assessor) and in another place as Clinical Coach. In actual fact the DA never got speaking to the Consultant and neither was their any direct letters from consultant to the DA.  In the SAR I can’t see any communication between the DA and the RW, so I’m wondering who actually was responsible for the report

    If it was the physiotherapist then the assessment should fall since she has no medical experience; if the DA then what did she actually write; the SAR never gave her qualifications even though they were specifically asked for.  Neither did we see any correspondence between the RP and the DA/Clinical Coach

    See where I’m coming from

    Kevin


  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,980 Disability Gamechanger
    DA and PRW are largely interchangeable terms for the sand thing - a HCP :)
  • kah22kah22 Member Posts: 52 Courageous
    What I wondering is why are there Two  people involved in the report a RW and a DA 

    When the DWP’s Decision Maker looks at the Report whose advice is he actually taking, can I assume the person who signs the report? If It is the physiotherapists then that opens up a challenge - she hasn’t the expertise
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,980 Disability Gamechanger
    No, there are not two people.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,980 Disability Gamechanger
    kah22 said:
    What I wondering is why are there Two  people involved in the report a RW and a DA 

    When the DWP’s Decision Maker looks at the Report whose advice is he actually taking, can I assume the person who signs the report? If It is the physiotherapists then that opens up a challenge - she hasn’t the expertise
    You misunderstand the nature of the consultation. It’s not a medical. Medical expertise is not required. It’s an assessment of functional ability. The required ability is to be able to record use of aids and appliances; assess the need from assistance and record same on a computer screen. 

    There’s a whole different discussion to be had as to the quality of how that’s done but when done properly it just needs listening and questioning skills and a degree of literacy. 
  • kah22kah22 Member Posts: 52 Courageous
    edited May 2018
    No, there are not two people.

    No  there are two people.(not real names) Mary Black physiotherapist she signed the report, while Snow White referred to as DA and CLINICAL COACH she made phone calls to the consultant but got no reply. 

    I can understand the point about it been a report, not a medical. But surely to write a report like this you have to have to be able to interpret information before you and on a PBA I can’t see how someone with no experience of a hidden condition could write such a report, they wouldn’t have the knowledge to interpret the information in front of them

    If I were standing in front of a Tribunal then I think I would be arguing that a physiotherapist hasn’t the ability to write such a report. I haven’t my papers in front of me at the moment but I did quote an esa case where a judge ruled that a physiotherapist hadn’t the ability to write a report on someone with a mental condition.

    Maybe if it were the DA / Clinical Coach, then perhaps yes, perhaps, for she may have the medical experience to inteperate facts and, therefore, some ability to write an informed report.  Maybe if the DA gave the physiotherapist extra information, but nowhere in the SAR does it show any correspondence between either women, so I must assume there was none, or else Information was held back
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,980 Disability Gamechanger
    Right, so all that’s happened in your case is that they allegedly went for more medical evidence but failed to get it and obviousky the petsin who makes the call can’t be the HCP as the HCP is busy doing that all day.

    I’d like to think you’d be sitting in front of a tribunal :) but experience of whether a condition is hidden or not is irrelevant. The onus is legally and practically on the claimant to explain. There’s no medical expertise involved in the interpretation at all. Someone either needs or uses aids and appliances or they don’t. Needing assistance from another person is more difficult but again there’s nothing medical there to assess. 

    For ESA, which does involve a medical, there are certain conditions which require medical expertise in the HCP but PIP has no equivalent requirement. Thus the ESA case you rightly cite. Sadly that decision would be disregarded for PIP and your argument dismissed. Trubunals regularly hear the argument you cite, especially from unrepresented appellants, and it’s largely dismissed. It’s been said elsewhere many times in here that picking apart a HCP report gives it less weight but does not of itself get you PIP. Energy is far better directed to the strength of your own evidence rather than the weakness of theirs.


  • kah22kah22 Member Posts: 52 Courageous
    Thanks for the reply, I’ve learned something today :smile: oh yes I would have no intention of representing my GF at a Tribunal.  We’ve already got a promise from a local representative that they will represent us. She’s won 8 out of her last 10 Tribunals (but that’s covering all aspects of social benefits)

    Kevin
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,980 Disability Gamechanger
    Good luck then.

    As a rep. myself I’d disregard figures on success rates. Whilst it’s nice to win most appeals, those who claim to do so tend to cherry pick likely winners rather than take on winnable cases that might also lose. Over 3 decades odd I reckon my success rate can’t be more than 60/40, maybe 70/30 but I’m guessing. I get very bored with people who claim high success rates. It tells you nothing of importance. I once lost about 15 in a row. All were winnable but arguable. The next 1 I won changed the law for the next 19 years and impacted thousands of people...  but the headline would be “only win 1 in 16”.

    Is there some reason you asked the question here rather of your rep? At this stage they ought to be guiding your focus. 
  • kah22kah22 Member Posts: 52 Courageous
    Yes and No.  I’m helping my GF, she has bipolar and does her best to avoid officialdom in any way, shape, or form, and I’m using the word officialdom in the lowest possible way. She let me help her fill in the forms, we got a PBA thanks to her doctor and while she’s agreed to let someone represent her if she goes to Tribunal I had to do the ground work and put it together for the MR and it was a steep learning curve

    Another reason, I suppose, is that I’m just a curious b.....d :smile:
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