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magunra2kmagunra2k Member Posts: 43 Connected
edited June 2018 in Disabled people
My wife is ill, she has Crohns disease and early osteoarthritis, now we are fortunate in that she is self employed and has a job that pays well enough and doesn't require her to claim benefits to top up her income. 
Obviously in the future that may change, but at the moment she doesn't need or want to claim any benefits, but that said some non financial entitlements would be very useful for her and some i think she has a genuine need for, also sometimes we find that proof of disability is required for certain things ,but the proof asked for is that you are in receipt of a state benefit.

So is someone who isn't claiming a benefit not classed as disabled ? 
or can someone be classed as disabled without applying for a benefit? if so how? 

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  • exdvrexdvr Member Posts: 313 Pioneering

    Hi @magunra2k   The legal definition of disability is that there must be a physical or mental impairment that has a substantial and long term adverse affect on the ability to carry out normal day to day activities.   How you can prove that without claiming benefits I'm afraid I do not know but your wife is not alone in being frustrated by this situation.  Perhaps someone with more knowledge than me will be able to offer you more than just sympathy for your situation.

    Best wishes.

    Best wishes.

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  • Sam_AlumniSam_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,731 Disability Gamechanger
    What sort of non-financial benefits are you thinking of?
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  • magunra2kmagunra2k Member Posts: 43 Connected
    Access to disabled toilets, blue badge as her mobility is getting worse , sometimes companies offer reduced rates for disabled members to places like swimming pools , the price isn't the issue but getting access is. 
    Im curious if essentialy the only way you can be considered officially disabled is to apply for a benefit even if you don't need the money? Can she apply and be considered officially disabled but be refused payments based on her income? 
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,924 Disability Gamechanger
    Nice summary at https://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/2571.aspx?CategoryID=155&SubCategoryID=155. There’s no such thing as registering as disabled. 

    Realistically, she needs to be looking at a claim to PIP at minimum. This will passport to numerous other benefits although all are essentially financial in nature. The other side of it is that she’s self-employed. A Crohn’s flare up can happen at any time after years of okay health. Then what? She won’t get SSP so what provision has she made for a period of sickness? Having PIP sat in the background will be very handy if there’s a sudden dramatic fall in her income.
  • feirfeir Member Posts: 396 Pioneering
    edited May 2018
    Anyone can get a radar key, online shops that sell disability and mobility aides sell them for a reasonable price. Some local services might also sell them, like our service that rents out wheelchairs and scooters has them.

    I looked at the criteria for a blue badge and although being on benefits means you automatically can get one, people who can prove they have trouble with mobility also can apply and don't need to be on PIP or anything. I would ring the council and tell them you would like to apply for a badge and are not on PIP so would like to know how to get one.
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/197719/can-i-get-a-blue-badge.pdf

    I don't think there's anything wrong with claiming PIP if you don't need the money either. Like the above says you could use it later when it is needed, or even give it to charity if you really don't want it but if you have to claim it to access things you need i would do that. So swimming you should claim it.

    Pretty sure PIP is not affected by income and shouldn't affect that as DLA never did but this government seems to enjoy collecting taxes so they may have changed that. and carers UK says it doesn't also.
    https://www.carersuk.org/help-and-advice/financial-support/help-with-benefits/personal-independence-payment
    -PIP can be paid regardless of your income, savings or National Insurance contribution record and is a tax free benefit.



  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi 

    May I just correct this slightly.

    "I looked at the criteria for a blue badge and although being on benefits means you automatically can get one, people who can prove they have trouble with mobility also can apply and don't need to be on PIP or anything"

    Being on benefits doesn't mean you automatically get a badge. It's changed since PIP came in. Some people will automatically get a badge.
    Everyone else will need to apply and its council dependant. So you need to check what your local council wants as it's criteria. 
    For some that's the backing of physio etc. 

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  • magunra2kmagunra2k Member Posts: 43 Connected
    So essentially you are not officially disabled unless you claim a state benefit? 

  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    Can I just add that the system is a little bizarre for some people.

    I qualify for a mobility car- but  I cannot drive it.
    I don't qualify for the blue badge using someone else's. 
    I struggle with public transport and qualify for the pass. 
    But they do NOT want evidence of benefits received. They want a copy of the blue badge- apparently that's a no. DVLA refusal/ revoke or gp letter.

     :)  

    Happy days. 


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  • feirfeir Member Posts: 396 Pioneering
    i meant mobility benefits, sorry, and even on checking that it says the highest rate of mobility only. :D
  • magunra2kmagunra2k Member Posts: 43 Connected
    Nice summary at https://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/2571.aspx?CategoryID=155&SubCategoryID=155. There’s no such thing as registering as disabled. 

    Realistically, she needs to be looking at a claim to PIP at minimum. This will passport to numerous other benefits although all are essentially financial in nature. The other side of it is that she’s self-employed. A Crohn’s flare up can happen at any time after years of okay health. Then what? She won’t get SSP so what provision has she made for a period of sickness? Having PIP sat in the background will be very handy if there’s a sudden dramatic fall in her income.
    She is self employed , provision has been made for a sudden Chrohns flare up, and even if we lose her income for a prolonged period we will be okay and if that was the case we could apply for the relevant benefits.

    But that isnt really the issue, the issue is, does she need to claim a benefit to be classed as disabled ? if the answer is yes then what about the people who dont want to claim a benefit but are technically disabled? , surely being classed as disabled should not have anything to do with being given money from the government and everything to do with a persons condition?


  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    feir said:
    i meant mobility benefits, sorry, and even on checking that it says the highest rate of mobility only. :D
    Yes but only the moving around component.
    If you get the other enhanced, you need to prove your case to the individual council.
    Pip accepts other mobility issues, the blue badge/ council might not/ doesn't.
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  • susan48susan48 Member Posts: 2,229 Disability Gamechanger
    Can’t you ask you gp to guide you to the correct place, mybe they know of what help you may get in your area.

    Just a thought. Hope you get it sorted 

  • magunra2kmagunra2k Member Posts: 43 Connected
    whistles said:
    Can I just add that the system is a little bizarre for some people.

    I qualify for a mobility car- but  I cannot drive it.
    I don't qualify for the blue badge using someone else's. 
    I struggle with public transport and qualify for the pass. 
    But they do NOT want evidence of benefits received. They want a copy of the blue badge- apparently that's a no. DVLA refusal/ revoke or gp letter.

     :)  

    Happy days. 


    And this right here is one of the main reasons why my wife is reluctant to make any claims, because the systems and check and balances seem t be controlled by crazed baboons ,it almost seems like its not worth the effort to make a claim when you dont need to , she doesnt want to spend a ridiculous amount of time chasing and appealing etc and adding to the pool of people who are already struggling to make sense of the benefit system. 
    I was just hoping there was a way to register and prove disability without involving the benefit system,seems crazy that they want to encourage disabled people into work as much as possible but you cant be disabled without making a claim??
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    Op.
    You need to check the criteria for you local council and see what proof they want to access the services you refer to.
    Being on benefits doesn't always mean you will get access to them either. The council dealing with public transport here doesn't except pip as a criteria for the section I fit into. 

    Pip isn't about the condition, it's about how it effects you day to day. So you would show how you are effected with mobility. I wouldn't know what crohns is without looking it up. Apologies there for my ignorance. But the assessor and DM probably know either!
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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,924 Disability Gamechanger
    magunra2k said:
    Nice summary at https://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/2571.aspx?CategoryID=155&SubCategoryID=155. There’s no such thing as registering as disabled. 

    Realistically, she needs to be looking at a claim to PIP at minimum. This will passport to numerous other benefits although all are essentially financial in nature. The other side of it is that she’s self-employed. A Crohn’s flare up can happen at any time after years of okay health. Then what? She won’t get SSP so what provision has she made for a period of sickness? Having PIP sat in the background will be very handy if there’s a sudden dramatic fall in her income.
    She is self employed , provision has been made for a sudden Chrohns flare up, and even if we lose her income for a prolonged period we will be okay and if that was the case we could apply for the relevant benefits.

    But that isnt really the issue, the issue is, does she need to claim a benefit to be classed as disabled ? if the answer is yes then what about the people who dont want to claim a benefit but are technically disabled? , surely being classed as disabled should not have anything to do with being given money from the government and everything to do with a persons condition?


    I think this has already been answered. There is no such thing as being classed as disabled and there hasn't been for years. Whether or not she needs to claim PIP will depend solely on the specific things she needs to access. For a radar key? No. For other things? Possibly.

    The definition varies depending on the thing you want to access. As much as anything this is a recognition that the medical model of disability - I have x and therefore I am disabled - is woefully inadequate and the social model - I have x but it doesn't disable me. Barriers put up by society are what disables me - is much more appropriate.

    Pardon me for saying so but it's a little naïve to say that if income is lost for a prolonged period then she could apply for the relevant benefit. Take a look at the PIP/DLA posts on here. Few people get the right entitlement first time out and anyone needing to challenge a decision can find it consuming a year or much longer without anything extraordinary taking place bar the normal MR and appeal process. PIP may literally be the only benefit available to a self-employed person bar Housing Benefit and/or Council Tax Reduction if applicable.

    There is an opportunity to put this in place now before problems arise and it becomes critical. You would be well advised to seek face to face advice now about this whilst it does not matter. When/if it does it will be too late. Apologies for being so blunt but there is plenty of good advice out there and you need to read up and follow it rather than assume that everything will be okay. There is every possibility it will not and that is especially the case for a self-employed person.


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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,924 Disability Gamechanger

    The definition varies depending on the thing you want to access. 

    @Victoriad the DDA has long since gone and was replaced by EA 10. Unfortunately being recognised as a disabled person under either is solely for the purpose of that legislation so it would only be relevant if you were asking for reasonable adjustments or taking a discrimination claim. Outside if that it has no meaning. So, as per my quote above...
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    Aha. Fair enough :)
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    edited May 2018
    Pip might encourage you to take up work, but if you did that tomorrow, its a change of circumstances that the dwp need to know about.
    A person needs to start somewhere and this is one of the problems? The actual starting somewhere.

    For esa, the website says " the general rule is no work, but there are exceptional circumstances" 
    That's not much of a stepping stone Imo. 
    You can get permitted work apparently, but you would be over the tax allowance, you lose your housing benefit, possibly lose the pip award and ESA will get reduced- because they take you out of the support group. 
    Friend just been through all that and made themselves ill being on less money because pip said your fine!

    https://www.turn2us.org.uk/Benefit-guides/Employment-and-Support-Allowance-Permitted-Work/What-is-permitted-work

    It almost stands for Extremely Stuck Award. 
    Though improvement on Income Support permitting just £20 a week!
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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,924 Disability Gamechanger
    Starting work is NOT a relevant change of circumstances for PIP and does not have to be declared unless it involves some activity which clearly suggests you would lose specific points.
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    So that site is giving the wrong information to people? 
    Why is that not being corrected?
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  • feirfeir Member Posts: 396 Pioneering
    whistles said:
    So that site is giving the wrong information to people? 
    Why is that not being corrected?
    That NHS link you gave is too. It was even updated 2 days ago but mentions claiming DLA but you can't claim that any more? No mention of PIP at all.

    Seems this government haven't got a good handle on their official sites.
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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,924 Disability Gamechanger
    Bit of confusion here. The Turn2Us link relates to ESA and work and not PIP. 

    PIP has no connection to work and there's no intent that it should encourage people into work. I've no idea how people have made that connection at all. 

    If you're on ESA and PIP then you need to get advice in before starting any sort of work but, generally speaking, no declaration to PIP needs to be made other than in the circumstances I described above. Merely starting work in itself is not a material fact. 
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  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    Victoriad said:
    Hello Mike
    PIP is non taxable, surely that inself could be taken as an indication, that you don’t need to worry about it ,being taxed ,should you decide to work.

    This in itself along with the lack of any information declaring you are not permitted to work when claiming PiP and that no declaration required to be made to PiP, about working, leads me to believe that there is an intention to encourage people to work......and what on Earth is wrong with encouraging people into work?.....

    Has work voluntary or otherwise become some sort crime?.....don’t think so.


    For some of us it has.
    It might be circumstances.
    But when it all changes to UC, the advice I got at the time was that because I will need the housing element, I wouldn't be permitted to earn more than £25!! 
    So how am I meant to get back into work and pay my own way.
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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,924 Disability Gamechanger
    Victoriad said:
    Hello Mike
    PIP is non taxable, surely that inself could be taken as an indication, that you don’t need to worry about it ,being taxed ,should you decide to work.

    This in itself along with the lack of any information declaring you are not permitted to work when claiming PiP and that no declaration required to be made to PiP, about working, leads me to believe that there is an intention to encourage people to work......and what on Earth is wrong with encouraging people into work?.....

    Has work voluntary or otherwise become some sort crime?.....don’t think so.


    Lots of benefits are non-taxable. It doesn’t mean they are intended to push people toward work. The idea that somehow a specific benefit set at a particular rate will somehow encourage is abject nonsense demonstrable through detailed modelling. The Gareth Morgan blog is especially good on this sort of thing. 
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    feir said:
    whistles said:
    So that site is giving the wrong information to people? 
    Why is that not being corrected?
    That NHS link you gave is too. It was even updated 2 days ago but mentions claiming DLA but you can't claim that any more? No mention of PIP at all.

    Seems this government haven't got a good handle on their official sites.
    People are still on DLA that's why. Not everyone has migrated. 

    Link not working. 
    But it's in relation to ESA.
    https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/employment-and-support-allowance/while-youre-getting-esa/working-while-getting-esa/ 

    I would be to ask them what is even considered permitted.


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  • magunra2kmagunra2k Member Posts: 43 Connected
    Victoriad said:
    I’m afraid to disagree that to be considered disabled, getting a benefit is paramount to prove this........

    I was claiming absolutely no benefits.
    But I had a medical condition that automatically came under the auspices of the Disability Discrimination Act.

    Regards the misconception that PiP claimants who work are somehow taking advantage of the system ......Id like to nail that one, right away.

    PiP is encouraging claimants to take up work just as ESA or DLA did previously, but unlike unpaid voluntary work under the old systems....it’s now paid work.....so why is there a problem?

    Paid work gives a sense of self worth, social interaction and preserves the independence of the individual, rather than encourage folk to stay at home, it encourages PiP claimants to become proactive regarding their health and increased contribution to society, by taking up some work.

    PiP was never designed to be a prison sentence discouraging people to go out and about and maintain some independence.


    okay, so if you were claiming no benefits how did you prove to people you were disabled if proof was ever required? this is the question im trying to answer most of all, how does one prove disability if proof is required if you don't claim benefits?


  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,924 Disability Gamechanger
    Fairly confident a full answer has been given repeatedly.
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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,924 Disability Gamechanger
    Guess we’ll never know. OPs original question was about whether you can be classified as disabled without claiming benefits. The answer to that is easy. 

    1) There is no such thing as being classified as disabled and hasn’t been for years in terms of their being a register, and,

    2) Each service has its own definition. Where it includes being in receipt of a benefit you’re stuffed unless you claim. Where it doesn’t involve claiming a benefit it depends on what it does involve. 

    Unless the OP posts what specifically their wife wishes to claim there’s just nothing else to say.
  • magunra2kmagunra2k Member Posts: 43 Connected
    Fairly confident a full answer has been given repeatedly.
    so you cant be disabled unless you claim a benefit?
  • magunra2kmagunra2k Member Posts: 43 Connected
    Victoriad said:
    So is this all about getting a free bus pass?....as I really can’t figure out, the point of trying to prove you are disabled?

    Are there some benefits in kind to be had?......I just don’t get it.


    no, its not about anything, its about proving you are disability if you need to without making a benefit claim,can it be done?
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,924 Disability Gamechanger
    Yawn. Yes, depending on the thing you wish to access.

    Time to close the thread as I’ve a sense we’re being trolled.
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  • magunra2kmagunra2k Member Posts: 43 Connected
    Yawn. Yes, depending on the thing you wish to access.

    Time to close the thread as I’ve a sense we’re being trolled.
    Mike , i came here looking for genuine advice, im not looking to troll anyone, the question is a simple one , how do you prove disability if you dont make a disability claim? 
    as it turns out my wife has decided that she will apply for PIP, because after consulting with various people it seems to be the only way she will be able to prove that she is disabled when she needs to. 

    Now if you didnt like the question then dont get involved.
  • magunra2kmagunra2k Member Posts: 43 Connected
    Victoriad said:
    Well.....what about getting your self a guide dog....seeing it’s not about anything serious, unless you are genuinely disabled and partially sighted.

    Failing that discuss the thread with your GP...and they may refer you to the appropriate services ( dont ask me, Im not a doctor!)

    Last Resort follow Mikes advice..or make yourself a laminate card stating you urgently require information on how to be disabled........take a trip up to Sauchihall Street, Glasgow on a Friday night and I’m sure you will quickly fulfill the criteria, once you’ve shown it to several folk spilling out the pubs....who think you are taking the Micheal ;)

     best A&E ?.....try the Victoria.



    Victoriad said:
    Well.....what about getting your self a guide dog....seeing it’s not about anything serious, unless you are genuinely disabled and partially sighted.

    Failing that discuss the thread with your GP...and they may refer you to the appropriate services ( dont ask me, Im not a doctor!)

    Last Resort follow Mikes advice..or make yourself a laminate card stating you urgently require information on how to be disabled........take a trip up to Sauchihall Street, Glasgow on a Friday night and I’m sure you will quickly fulfill the criteria, once you’ve shown it to several folk spilling out the pubs....who think you are taking the Micheal ;)

     best A&E ?.....try the Victoria.



    thanks for the advice
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,924 Disability Gamechanger
    magunra2k said:
    Yawn. Yes, depending on the thing you wish to access.

    Time to close the thread as I’ve a sense we’re being trolled.
    Mike , i came here looking for genuine advice, im not looking to troll anyone, the question is a simple one , how do you prove disability if you dont make a disability claim? 
    as it turns out my wife has decided that she will apply for PIP, because after consulting with various people it seems to be the only way she will be able to prove that she is disabled when she needs to. 

    Now if you didnt like the question then dont get involved.
    Not a question of disliking the question. Specifically a case of having given the answer repeatedly and having it ignored repeatedly. Whilst receipt of certain benefits passports entitlement to other things it does not do so across the board so, depending on what it is she wishes to access, she may find PIP is no use at all. 
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  • GeoarkGeoark Member, Scope Volunteer Posts: 1,370 Disability Gamechanger
    @magunra2k not sure why you are getting upset with members who have been trying to help you.

    Where councils, government or other organisations/companies/charities offer discounts or access to services for disabled people they tend to have their own criteria which your wife would need to meet.

    As mentioned there is no such thing as being registered disabled. PIP is one way of proving you have a disability, but may not be on the list of some concessions. Plus having a disability does not automatically entitle a person to PIP.

    There are a couple of disability cards you can register with which are accepted by some companies/organisations, but by no means universal.

    So each situation is different and needs to be approached as such, and this is what others have said to you.

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  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    magunra2k said:
    Yawn. Yes, depending on the thing you wish to access.

    Time to close the thread as I’ve a sense we’re being trolled.
    Mike , i came here looking for genuine advice, im not looking to troll anyone, the question is a simple one , how do you prove disability if you dont make a disability claim? 
    as it turns out my wife has decided that she will apply for PIP, because after consulting with various people it seems to be the only way she will be able to prove that she is disabled when she needs to. 

    Now if you didnt like the question then dont get involved.
    Not a question of disliking the question. Specifically a case of having given the answer repeatedly and having it ignored repeatedly. Whilst receipt of certain benefits passports entitlement to other things it does not do so across the board so, depending on what it is she wishes to access, she may find PIP is no use at all. 
    Why is this flagged? 


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  • Pippa_AlumniPippa_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 5,851 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @magunra2k, glad to see you've had some advice from our community members.

    Something else you may like to consider is an Access Card- there's a small charge to pay (£15), but I have one of these myself and it's an easy and hassle-free way of demonstrating that you have additional needs, and what those needs are. You may also be entitled to discounts and free carer tickets in certain locations! It may not be right for you, but I'd definitely recommend having a look.
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  • Pippa_AlumniPippa_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 5,851 Disability Gamechanger
    edited June 2018
    Hi @Victoriad, just to clarify, the poster's wife has Crohns disease and early osteoarthritis. She works and so doesn't presently need to claim benefits, but the query is related to how to 'identify' yourself as disabled and make sure their other additional needs are met, without receiving a disability payment. This is a common issue that many of our community members have experienced, especially if their illness is hidden or invisible. Hope that helps to clear things up! 
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  • GeoarkGeoark Member, Scope Volunteer Posts: 1,370 Disability Gamechanger
    Victoriad said:

    Your answer is in your own post above......”to make a claim when you don’t need to”.

    If you are disabled you make a claim.....if you are not disabled....quote “to make a claim when you don’t need to”
    @Victoriad so if you don't make a claim you are not disabled?? Kind of proving his point that the only way to be accepted as having a disability is if you are in receipt of PIP.

    It also means that if you would not qualify for PIP then you cannot be disabled?

    Also what is wrong with cherry picking those 'perks' that help the individual to carry on being independent? Either you grab everything that is on offer, regardless if you want it or not, or go without?

    Oh well that is some good news. As I have never applied for PIP and would not qualify if I did I am obviously not disabled, until I can prove otherwise by getting PIP. 

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  • GeoarkGeoark Member, Scope Volunteer Posts: 1,370 Disability Gamechanger
    edited June 2018
    @Victoriad

    Good as I have no intention of asking or have any interesting in knowing.

    .and may I say this also explains why greater numbers of the public,and several posters on the forum ( who are actually disabled) are getting mighty cheesed off by “disabled” people eg persons not disabled sufficiently enough, to claim benefits (that are rigorously tested by medical evidence and interview).... cherry picking these perks because  of their ‘“ additional needs”......

    we can all have “additional needs” at times, such as skipping queues, getting free companion tickets, blue badges to park easily and avoid parking charges with some councils......great getting all this without actual physical or mental health disability?

    All you had  to say was yes, if you don't get PIP you cannot be disabled.

    Just to clarify one point you chose to raise, are you saying free carer tickets should not be given to people enabling disabled people to be part of society, or that carers should themselves be 'suitably disabled' before qualifying for one?

    Surprised that you consider a system which has nearly 70% failure rate at appeal as a rigorous form of testing for qualifying a person the right to be classed as disabled.

    As was pointed out the OP was asking for his wife, with Crohns Disease and Osteoarthritis, not for himself.

    Those selfish people cherry picking these so called benefits are really individuals with an inflated sense of entitlement and are the first in the queue for what ever is going free, to the detriment of the disabled. 

    I assume you mean the 'genuinly disabled people' as defined by you and some others on here?

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  • GeoarkGeoark Member, Scope Volunteer Posts: 1,370 Disability Gamechanger
    @Victoriad

    Using caps is shouting, I use bold when highlighting what someone else has said.

    No, I do not have a problem understanding that people can be disabled without getting benefits. You chose in your argument to distinguish between 'disabled' people and disabled people like yourself who are disabled and getting disability benefits. Your words "( who are actually disabled)"

    You are the one who said people should not be cherry picking, if you don't cherry  pick then you must be taking everything that you are entitled to regardless if you need it or not.

    "My problem is with people and others outwith this category, such as your dear self, who have an inflated sense of entitlement shown by your statement of....
     “ Either you grab everything that’s on offer, regardless of whether you want it or not”

    Your use of the words  “grab” and “want” really say it all."

    Good example of taking words out of context to make up an argument. How clever of you. By all means show me where I have asked anywhere on this forum how I can get something you feel I am not entitled to, or entitled to.

    Again your words:

    Now if you can stop contradicting yourself there would be less need to make assumptions.

    "we can all have “additional needs” at times, such as skipping queues, getting free companion tickets,"

    Either companion or carer, the person is there to help the disabled people access the event/activity. In that capacity they are either entitled to a free ticket or not.

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  • GeoarkGeoark Member, Scope Volunteer Posts: 1,370 Disability Gamechanger

    Actually my words were in response to your post, not the opening post.

    You are the one objecting to people cherry picking what perks, benefits or what ever else you would like to call them. My point, and I am sorry as I didn't realise it was too subtle, was if  someone does not cherry pick what perks - as it is your favoured word - they want then the alternatives are you either do not bother, or take everything you can which is what you were saying.

    That said you obviously want me to shut up, so I will.


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  • magunra2kmagunra2k Member Posts: 43 Connected
    well that escalated quickly, I showed my wife this thread, I typed the question on her behalf because she's currently without the use of her fingers and thumbs , i have to say she was quite upset at alot of the comments particularly from victoria,
    Shes finding adjusting to life hard enough, she was genuinely looking for the answer and has since decided to not apply for PIP as she now thinks she probably isnt disabled enough and doesnt want to seem like she is cherry picking benefits . 
    So thanks for that, thats shopping trips with her daughter scuppered ,alot of holidays now out of the question, some of the "perks" may have made life a bit more tolerable while not needing the money aspect .
    thank you pippa for the access card info 
  • GeoarkGeoark Member, Scope Volunteer Posts: 1,370 Disability Gamechanger
    @magunra2k

    I am sorry to hear that your wife has been upset by the discussion. As with any group of people we have people with different views and sometimes things can get heated.

    Unfortunately there is no single answer to your question, and as mentioned for the concessions available you would need to meet the particular criteria they set. 

    For PIP take a look at https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system it will help your wife to decide if she would likely qualify or not.

    As for 'cherry picking' it is something most of us do all the time, also known as making a choice. There is nothing wrong with your wife making the choices which best suit her needs.

    Sadly one reality of having disabilities is that someone somewhere will find reason to criticise you, it doesn't mean they are right. 

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  • magunra2kmagunra2k Member Posts: 43 Connected
    Geoark said:
    @magunra2k

    I am sorry to hear that your wife has been upset by the discussion. As with any group of people we have people with different views and sometimes things can get heated.

    Unfortunately there is no single answer to your question, and as mentioned for the concessions available you would need to meet the particular criteria they set. 

    For PIP take a look at https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system it will help your wife to decide if she would likely qualify or not.

    As for 'cherry picking' it is something most of us do all the time, also known as making a choice. There is nothing wrong with your wife making the choices which best suit her needs.

    Sadly one reality of having disabilities is that someone somewhere will find reason to criticise you, it doesn't mean they are right. 

    Thank you for your advice in this matter, i honestly never expected that my questions about this whole thing would cause certain people to get so hot under the collar, my wife and I really just wanted to get her a little help with somethings that would make life a bit easier, yes we are lucky in that we dont need the money
    but there are certain things people with disabilities can access that are nothing to do with money, yes they maybe a benefit, but they are not monetary, maybe i should have worded the initial question differently or missed out the part about not needing money. Anyway thanks again to those who contributed . 
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