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Anyone else finds it disgusting that this govt are actively waging a war against the disabled?

pjppjp Member Posts: 55 Courageous
edited June 2018 in PIP, DLA and AA
New to this forum but i was wondering if anyone else has had their fill of being refused esa and pip benefits. If anyone else finds it disgusting that this govt are actively waging a war against the disabled leading to people taking thier own lives?
If so please let me know if you would sign a parttion against this and if anyone has advice on taking the dwp to the court of human rights.
Any comments advice or thoughts will be greatly received. Thank you. 

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  • pjppjp Member Posts: 55 Courageous
    Thank you. I have looked at the links but they are not relevant to me. I have been refused pip and so have to again go the appeal route as with esa. 
    Dwp took no notice of any of my details and disability. It was probably decided before the assesment stage that i would be refused. The mandatory reconsideration will also just be an excercise in futility. 
  • pjppjp Member Posts: 55 Courageous
    Also i find it very upsetting that Scope will do nothing to defend the disabled in this war against their members and those very ppl the organisation is meant to help. If they were to join others such as Mind and join the lobbying and start a nation wide awareness campaign no doubt something positive would come out of it. In my book if you do nothing you are just as bad and stand along side the ones victimising the disabled. 
  • pjppjp Member Posts: 55 Courageous
      Steve51  
    I am waiting to hear back from Mind to disuss the petition 
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    pjp said:
    Also i find it very upsetting that Scope will do nothing to defend the disabled in this war against their members and those very ppl the organisation is meant to help. If they were to join others such as Mind and join the lobbying and start a nation wide awareness campaign no doubt something positive would come out of it. In my book if you do nothing you are just as bad and stand along side the ones victimising the disabled. 

    I'm sorry but I must disagree. All the way through the implementation of PIP, the likes of Scope and many other charities forced the government into making law what PIP is today.
    If you are arguing that the DWP is at fault in the way they operate the system, then yes they are. But to say that PIP in it's present form was not fought over - well you are completely wrong.
  • pjppjp Member Posts: 55 Courageous
    No im not saying it wasnt fought over.
    Whither it was or wasnt is immaterial. 
    All that matters is the state it is in now. The reality. 
  • littleruthie123littleruthie123 Member Posts: 490 Pioneering
    Frustrating; unfair,unjust .I can understand how people get suicidal and take there own lives.it does seem too be getting worse. I don't no the answers .somethingso got too give some were somehow .I share your frustration 
  • pjppjp Member Posts: 55 Courageous
    Im sorry you do but sadly this affects 1000s upon 1000s of us. Unfortunately nothing will give as noone not even Scope are doing anything. 
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    pjp said:
    Im sorry you do but sadly this affects 1000s upon 1000s of us. Unfortunately nothing will give as noone not even Scope are doing anything. 
    What exactly would you want to see happen? Change PIP? Into what? Force the DWP to act responsibly? How? 
  • littleruthie123littleruthie123 Member Posts: 490 Pioneering
    I would be interested in  signing any petition. Regarding this 
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    In all thinking, would you actually suggest that such a petition would change anything?

    You have the non disabled who in part see disability benefits as another means to live without having to work. 

  • pjppjp Member Posts: 55 Courageous
    Yes i would.

    Im sure there are a few.

    I may be reading between the lines here but you seem to be excusing the dwp and totally ignoring the amount of suicides and deaths they cause. If so please dont reply as there will be no response from me. 
  • pjppjp Member Posts: 55 Courageous
    Littleruthie123
    I am waiting to take some advice on the petition before i start one. 
    My biggest fear is that there may be a number of them already out there and i wouldnt want to water them down so to speak. Also i would like to consider if there are some that they can all be almalgimated into one and it have the backing of a big recognised nationwide organisation. 
    Mind are lobbying the govt on benefits so they would be my first choice. 
  • littleruthie123littleruthie123 Member Posts: 490 Pioneering
    Great plz keep me updated .we having too keep fighting !.I would like too understand how there are able too get out of the mental health descriptors that I thought they had been told too adhear too .which obviously there  other and getting away with it .
  • pjppjp Member Posts: 55 Courageous
    They are obviously are a law unto themselves and following gvt instruction. 
    I found this from someone some time back. Im going to once i receive my refusal letter. WE ALL SHOULD. please share.

    I have found out myself just how corrupt, incompetent and mind-bogglingly stupid the DWP and ATOS can be. Ask your MP to obtain forms for referring the matter to the Parliamentary Ombudsman should this become necessary
  • littleruthie123littleruthie123 Member Posts: 490 Pioneering
    I've written a letter too my mp this morning on more or less the same subject .will see if I get a reply .if I do will mention above also .nothing ventured..........
  • lillybellelillybelle Member Posts: 458 Pioneering
    I can understand your frustration.
    pip was meant for people who really have disabilities of some kind. However there are more people claiming benefits atm for trivial reasons so I can understand what the DWP are trying to do.
    that does not mean that I agree with the process of how this is managed.
    The assessment is wrong and more consideration should be given to GP,s letters etc. ( I never had an assessment when I claimed DLA about 17yrs ago.)
    however I had a nurse with no experience of working with epileptic people assuming what I was or wasn’t capable of doing. When I was assessed for Pip.
    is there a charity that was set up for people who have the same disability as you.
    prob they can help.?
    Epilepsy Action charity are fighting through the courts for changes. Maybe there is something like that you can get involved in 
      My daughter is a senior car sales executive and she sees every day people coming into the garage , some unable to walk or in wheelchairs because they have taken their mobility car.
    some even cry in front of her.
    However I know somebody who had a mobility car when claiming DLA with a blue badge who does gardening and climbs on ladders etc.
    this is type of thing the government need to address.


  • littleruthie123littleruthie123 Member Posts: 490 Pioneering
    Well how they get away with it I don't understand  how tight it's become .and it's the genuine who get penalised. Terrible terrible system
  • littleruthie123littleruthie123 Member Posts: 490 Pioneering
    I still wouldent say I understand what the government are trying too do personally 
  • pjppjp Member Posts: 55 Courageous
    Of course they should be careful of scammers no arguments there. 
    But this is not about that. This is about victimising vunerable disabled ppl leading to suicides and deaths.
    Thank you for the caring advice. I have an acquired brain injury leading from an intentional hit and run while on my motor bike. Unfortunately there is little help available for brain injury in the UK and even less in this part of the country were i live.
    I hope you are living as best you can. 
  • pjppjp Member Posts: 55 Courageous
    This is about legitamate ppl who are vunerable aNd in need. Dwp has no care who is legitimate and who isnt. 
  • whistleswhistles Member Posts: 1,590 Disability Gamechanger
    Headway is a national charity isn't it? They are really supportive..
    Do not follow me, I don't know where I am going.
  • pjppjp Member Posts: 55 Courageous
    Tis but not had any. As yet
  • pjppjp Member Posts: 55 Courageous
    Just called DWP re PIP as still not received my refusal letter. I also asked if we could skip mandatory reconsideration stage and go straight to tribunal.
    Why does this part of the joke take soo many weeks when the dwp have made the decision to not change from the decision from when you very first applied for PIP??????
  • pjppjp Member Posts: 55 Courageous
    I wont be sending any support letters as they go straight into dwp bin. They must have the biggest sized bin in the UK. Completely resigned to going through the appeal tribunal. Trying to take them to court of human rights and the ombudsman mentioned earlier. 
  • pjppjp Member Posts: 55 Courageous
    To anyone going through the same ****. Please bear with the disgusting and sick process. Justice will be given at the tribunal. No matter how hard life is now it will get better from the tribunal stage. Always look to the hope. 
  • pjppjp Member Posts: 55 Courageous
    Data released by the government in 2012 showed that 10,600 people in the UK died between January and November 2011 once their benefits had been stopped. However, the up-to-date statistics have yet to be made public.
    Thats 964 ppl a month. The govt will not release the latest stats as i believe it could be now much much higher now. 
    I can see a microcosm of a similarity to a part of the worlds more sinister history and the persecution that was pure evil. 
  • littleruthie123littleruthie123 Member Posts: 490 Pioneering
    I bet alot of that was also triggered through homelessness .barbaric system!
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  • pjppjp Member Posts: 55 Courageous
    Hi, I just started the petition on goverme ts war on the disabled and wanted to ask if you could add your names too. This campaign means a lot to me and the more support we can get behind it, the better chance we have of succeeding. You can read more and sign the petition here: https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/government-descrimination-of-the-disabled Thank you!

    Please do share!!
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