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UC and premiums

lovejoywelshlovejoywelsh Member Posts: 7 Listener
edited July 2018 in Universal Credit

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  • lovejoywelshlovejoywelsh Member Posts: 7 Listener
    edited June 2018
    Hi
    I have PIP and the premiums added to your JSA. so, £213.30 JSA.
    I see PIP continue outside UC.

    My premiums added to your JSA, would that be lost in Universal Credit. (i.e £462.15 plus housing) or £316.76

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi
    I have PIP and the premiums added to your JSA. so, £213.30 JSA.
    I see PIP continue outside UC.

    My premiums added to your JSA, would that be lost in Universal Credit. (i.e £462.15 plus housing) or £316.76

    At the moment no premiums are paid with UC. There will be a transitional protection in place when people do start to move across from 2019 but if a chage of circumstances prompts a move across you will lose the premiums.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • lovejoywelshlovejoywelsh Member Posts: 7 Listener
    edited June 2018
    Thanks
    So, best to transfer before getting a part time or full time job to get Transitional Protection.

    What if I am moved over this year, would be no Transitional Protection.

    Would Job centre undertake the Transitional Protection or would there be a tick box on UC,

    Under Shaw Trust and starting a RISE study with Birmingham and Warwick University for people with chronic back pain.

    It's a study group and they get you work experience placement and report back to them over the year.
  • lovejoywelshlovejoywelsh Member Posts: 7 Listener
    As I the oldie song, "Do I say or do I go", to UC.
    And this or next year.
    But, my Job centre Coventry, state all be transferred by end of this year.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Thanks
    So, best to transfer before getting a part time or full time job to get Transitional Protection.

    What if I am moved over this year, would be no Transitional Protection.

    Would Job centre undertake the Transitional Protection or would there be a tick box on UC,

    Under Shaw Trust and starting a RISE study with Birmingham and Warwick University for people with chronic back pain.

    It's a study group and they get you work experience placement and report back to them over the year.
    There's no transitional protection is not available to anyone yet because it hasn't started. This won't happen until migration starts for those on the legacy benefits and this could be anything from 2019 and much later for some people.

    If a change of circumstances mean you have to apply for UC before the migration starts then you will lose your JSA premiums.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • BenefitsTrainingCoBenefitsTrainingCo Member Posts: 2,692 Pioneering
    lovejoywelsh,

    You don't move to UC just because your Jobcentre is starting to deliver UC. If a change of circumstances means you have to make a new claim for benefit, you may end up on UC because you can't avoid having to make a claim (this only applies to new claims for irESA, Income Support, income-based JSA, Working Tax Credit, Child Tax Credit and Housing Benefit - once Coventry is 'full service' for UC, new claims for those benefits can't be made & it has to be UC). Nobody 'moves' you at the moment - it's up to you whether to claim, though help may be available if you do need to.

    If because of your study and/or work, one of your existing benefits (for example, JSA or HB) stopped, and then you had to make a new claim after Coventry was delivering UC, then you would currently have to claim UC. 

    However, the Secretary of State for Work & Pensions recently said they are going to stop people entitled to the severe disability premium from being moved to UC UNTIL there is transitional protection. This hasn't happened yet, but we expect it to happen soon. So you might not have to claim UC in any case, or at least, not until July 2019 at the earliest. You'd make a new claim for one of the old benefits instead (eg JSA and/or HB). 

    Eventually, when you claim UC in what is called 'managed migration', which is when the DWP write to you & tell you your existing benefit is stopping & UC has to be claimed (a process which is not due to start until July 2019, & could be much later), then you WILL get transitional protection - in other words, you won't lose money

    If it happens that you claim UC in 'natural migration' before they change the rules & stop people entitled to the SDP from moving, it will only be because you need for some reason to make a new claim (for example, because of study/work JSA has to stop, then later you need to claim again and it has to be UC). In this case you WILL get a payment from the government to make up for the loss (the Secretary of State announced this recently). We don't have any details of how this will work at the moment though.

    My advice would be to avoid claiming UC until you have to though. That's because the longer you can leave it, the more likely it is that they'll have changed the rules so that people getting the severe disability premiums don't have to claim UC until at least July 2019.

    I hope this helps.

    Will
    The Benefits Training Co:
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  • ESAESAESAESA Member Posts: 13 Listener
    hi lovejoywelsh.
    I was just reading through and saw yr post.
    Im so confused. Im on ESA Cb . I Receive Pip standard rate Care  and Enhanced rate Mobilty.  Just completed a claim form sent by DWP last week telling me i MAY be entitled to Inc Related ESA  premium which i wasn't awarded when placed on ESA contribution based several years ago. I didnt know  about it to be fair..Out of the blue DWP sent me this form. I heard from a friend that if i go ahead with the claim , il get put onto UC and lose any premium anyway, if im entitled to, as i will have to transition over to UC BEFORE july 2019 n lose any of the protection u mentioned above  . is it a ploy for me do something I'll regret later.? Anxiety topup! :(
    Any advice or rights i have? 
    Kindest Regards 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    ESAESA said:
    hi lovejoywelsh.
    I was just reading through and saw yr post.
    Im so confused. Im on ESA Cb . I Receive Pip standard rate Care  and Enhanced rate Mobilty.  Just completed a claim form sent by DWP last week telling me i MAY be entitled to Inc Related ESA  premium which i wasn't awarded when placed on ESA contribution based several years ago. I didnt know  about it to be fair..Out of the blue DWP sent me this form. I heard from a friend that if i go ahead with the claim , il get put onto UC and lose any premium anyway, if im entitled to, as i will have to transition over to UC BEFORE july 2019 n lose any of the protection u mentioned above  . is it a ploy for me do something I'll regret later.? Anxiety topup! :(
    Any advice or rights i have? 
    Kindest Regards 
    I have heard that this can happen if you're in a full UC area, i have no idea if this is true or not.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • lovejoywelshlovejoywelsh Member Posts: 7 Listener
    I asked the Job centre, a number of times about Transitional Protection and each time, I get this don't about this.
    I would like something, I can print out and show the person, if and when they migrate me over to UC. Before Transitional Protection starts up next year.
    Coventry is live this week
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