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Pip assessments and lies

blueboy87blueboy87 Member Posts: 69 Courageous
when my brother in law had his assessment I was with him the assessor was a nurse what was said in the assessment was totally different when he got his outcome how can someone who has seen you for 30 minutes really know the extent of their problems

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  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    Sorry you've gone through this charade.

    One answer to this. They don't and they always presume your fine it's all about cost cutting. Nothing more. It would take weeks for them to really understand how your suffering not 10 minutes or 30 minutes.

    The honest answer is they don't care nor understand how will all have to live on a daily basis
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    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

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  • Mikey44Mikey44 Member Posts: 74 Courageous
    Unfortunately I also had a Nurse who would not view the evidence as to my sight loss and after the assessment she said I have PERFECT VISION but doctors have Registered me as Partially Blind !!!! She has basically said that she knows better than Optimologists from my Hospital and an expert in Moorfields Hospital and cancelled my Higher Rate PIP and put me back to Standard PIP I am in the middle of waiting for my Tribunal so fingers crossed
  • wilkowilko Member Posts: 2,300 Disability Gamechanger
    You must complain to the company who carried out your acessment, if you gave surporting evidence about your sight. The acessor must and has to be investigated by her employers the sooner the DWP records the acessments the better but sadly it will not stop acessor from not reading surporting evidence and recording it apropreately. We also must take, give and ask and insist that the accessor reads the supporting evidence for our claim.
  • MisscleoMisscleo Member Posts: 646 Pioneering
    Its a bit dificult to try to get someone to read. And take in infomation.
    If they are determined they armt going to.
    We can only show them our evudence 
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  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    Mikey44 said:
    Unfortunately I also had a Nurse who would not view the evidence as to my sight loss and after the assessment she said I have PERFECT VISION but doctors have Registered me as Partially Blind !!!! She has basically said that she knows better than Optimologists from my Hospital and an expert in Moorfields Hospital and cancelled my Higher Rate PIP and put me back to Standard PIP I am in the middle of waiting for my Tribunal so fingers crossed
    She probably made an innocent error whilst writing up the report.
  • MatildaMatilda Member Posts: 2,616 Disability Gamechanger
    Have you tried local authority welfare rights?

    If you are turned down for PIP again, it is worth appealing despite the hassle as 71% of appeals win.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 6,010 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi. I have visited this site before but am new to the forum because I can't find the answer to a question I have.

    First I will explain. I was on DLA indefinitely and told to apply for PIP. I had a home assessment from someone we call Delores Umbridge due to her pink jacket and not giving her name or showing any ID. Harry Potter fans will understand that.

    After asking my housebound, 80-year-old mother if she was Diane, she made herself at home by sitting on the settee and getting out her laptop. When I entered the room she was already typing. She saw me take 4 steps into the room with the aid of a walking stick. She screwed her nose up when I said I had a part-time voluntary job which I can no longer afford, and proceeded to stereotype me by asking if I went playing bingo, something which is not my thing.

    I explained that I have been assessed for a wheelchair which is on long-term loan. That I was also assessed for bathroom and toilet equipment which is supplied by social services along with special cutlery to help my grip and weighted cups.

    After doing a lot of typing she folded the laptop and asked if I had any questions. I couldn't think of anything and so she left.

    I then received my refusal for PIP with only receiving 2 points for having a toilet seat. She had put in her report that she had done a muscular test, a cognitive test and had seen me walk 20 metres, none of which was true. I applied for a mandate and got someone who needs assessing because they said I shouldn't need special cutlery for my grip when I can grip a walking stick. I also have blackouts which I also talked about to Delores and it was put in writing that I can still drive, advocating someone to break the law.

    In failing to get the PIP my DLA stopped before the date they stated so am still considering contacting the fraud department. I sought advice from my MP and was told to appeal, which would mean going out of my area and out of my comfort zone. I was told if I didn't attend the appeal would fail and with an 8 month waiting limit, I decided to reapply for the PIP.

    Once again, when I filled in the form I requested a home assessment so was surprised when I was sent a letter wanting me to attend a medical centre in Doncaster. I called them and said I had asked for a home visit. I have always had home assessments with no questioning why. I was told I couldn't have a home assessment because the last time I had attended the medical centre. I corrected them and said I had a home assessment. I was put on hold for over 10 minutes while she typed in what I had told her.

    A couple of days later I received a telephone call and was told I would be receiving a letter saying my home assessment had been declined and to destroy it because the person who sent it pressed the wrong button, then extended that with they hadn't read that I hadn't attended the medical centre.

    I then received another letter saying when an assessor would be calling to the house. We were surprised to see Delores. She still didn't give her name or show any ID and when asked if she could do a second assessment, she said she could.

    If you have managed to get through all that. She was asked if she could assess me again, because I was told that I cannot be assessed by the same person, especially within a 6 month timeline. She insisted she could and I told her I didn't think she could and that I wasn't happy with her last assessment. She very defensively said she didn't lie on her reports. I didn't want to get upset and have a panic attack and calmly told her that there must have been a communication error. I don't know if she was being sarcastic or it was a natural stupidity but she asked why I can't go to a medical centre for an assessment. I told her because it was in Doncaster, meaning not local, so she said there is one in Sheffield, which is further away.

    Delores left saying she was going to call the office and tell them I had refused to have the assessment and that I will probably have to attend a medical centre. I'm sure she will strongly recommend that.

    I am hoping that someone will be able to tell him if it is correct that they cannot assess someone twice. I called Age UK but they gave me the phone number for Citizens Advice which I have tried calling twice with music and a recording saying all their advisers are busy for over 40 minutes. I get free calls for the first hour so had to put the phone down or I would have been paying and am now on a tight budget.

    ..
    It may have been better to start your own thread. However, let’s cut to the chase.

    1 - If you don’t qualify for PIP then your DLA stops from the day before the PIP decision. No fraud. 

    2 - Musculoskeletal-skeletal examinations and cognitive examinations are ifyen just observations rather than a specific set of tests.

    3 - You were poorly advised to reapply for PIP. It would have been better to proceed to appeal. 

    4 - You were equally badly advised as regards not being able to have the same HCP. That is, to be blunt, abject nonsense. It was a separate claim and there’s no issue at all with what happened. There is actually caselaw to confirm that it’s not an issue. 

    5 - The title of your thread is concerning. A lot of people on here accuse HCPs of lying. Unless you have a full transcription then that’s not something you can prove. You can evidence factual inaccuracy but not lies and you need to focus away from it and instead look at the strength of your own evidence. The tone of your comments on the HCP suggest you’ve judged and labelled her in a way you would strongly object to if she’d done the same to you. I’d take a step back. Look at the PIP points criteria and assess the strength of your own evidence not theirs. 
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    When you requested the MR you should have concentrated on where you think you should have scored those points and why. Instead, it seems like you concentrated on the lies that were told. DWP would not be interested in any lies that you think were told. They will only be interested in facts and it's your responsibility to prove that those descriptors apply to you.

    It always baffles me when people get their local MP involved in a PIP refusal when most likely their MP knows very little if anything about the PIP descriptors and exactly what they mean. There's a lot more to PIP than walking and moving your limbs.

    Why on earth would you let someone in your house without asking to see their I.D and knowing their name. :#

    Constantly re-apply for PIP isn't the answer because they'll most likely keep refusing you.
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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 6,010 Disability Gamechanger
    An MP won’t have a clue about PIP and the people who work for them will only know what they’ve researched. Contacting an MP alao slows things down as DWP have to create a dummy file for dealing with MP queries.

    Otherwise I’ve nothing to add to the previous post except that there is little point in claiming PIP if you’re not prepared to entertain the idea of an appeal hearing. Unless you present your claim in a completely different way you will keep getting the same outcome and it will never change if you won’t challenge it. 
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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 6,010 Disability Gamechanger
    It is not automatically contradictory to conclude that you use things you don’t necessarily need. Just using them does not win the argument. You need to have provided clear examples of what has happened if/when you didn’t use them. You have to make the case. 

    Whoever told you the “only” circumstances where points are given for eating was again talking abject nonsense, 

    Your GP issues are inconvenient but irrelevant to your PIP claim. No diagnosis is needed. The symptoms are not relevant until you’ve had them 3 months AND they have a direct impact on a points scoring activity. Adding condityims to a PIP claim makes no difference to entitlement. The latter is only impacted when they cause you to score points. Having a prolapse doesn’t score points. The impact of it might but you have to direct it to specific activities. 
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  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 2,856 Member
    Matilda said:
    Have you tried local authority welfare rights?

    If you are turned down for PIP again, it is worth appealing despite the hassle as 71% of appeals win.
    ….but only if you have a qualified legal representative helping you. Those who do it themselves without help have a success rate of just under 50%
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