DWP has not acknowledged my appeal

anonymous25

I was searching on the internet to see if anyone else has experienced what Im currently going through with appealing Dwp decision to stopping my PIP completely. In June 2018 I submitted an appeal to Tribunal and till this day off me posting this, DWP has not responded or acknowledged my appeal with Tribunal. I contacted DWP by phone and they apologised for not responding at all and said that they will send the pack with there defence in 2 weeks. 4 weeks have gone and still have not received pack containing DWP defence. yesterday I received a letter from Tribunal and they have stated that they are going to proceed with an oral hearing rather than paper hearing due to no response received. Im worried i will not get my PIP at all even if i win tribunal. Has anyone else out there been treated this way? can anyone advise? 

Ami2301

Hi @anonymous25 welcome to the community! Sorry to hear what has happened, however many members have experienced the tribunal process and I'm sure they will be happy to get in touch with you to offer advice.

Do let us know if we can be of any further assistance

steve51

Hi @anonymous25

Good Afternoon & Welcome it’s great to meet you today.

I am very very sorry 😐 to see your ongoing situation with you

Here’s some info for you below 

https://search.scope.org.uk/s/redirect?collection=scope-meta&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scope.org.uk%2FSupport%2FDisabled-people%2Fbenefits%2FDWP-benefits-appeals%2FUpper-Tribunal&index_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scope.org.uk%2FSupport%2FDisabled-people%2Fbenefits%2FDWP-benefits-appeals%2FUpper-Tribunal&auth=J8RBp%2F9tUn3x3rgBxg2xJQ&profile=_default&rank=2&query=Pip

Please please let me know if I can help/support you further????

Pippa_Scope

Hi @anonymous25, and a warm welcome to the community!

So sorry to hear this, what a frustrating situation! I'm unsure of how it would be best to proceed myself, but hopefully some of our experienced members will be in touch soon and able to advise. 

markyboy

This happened to me the DWP continually failed to send evidence and the case went ahead and i won.
you don't want to keep chasing them let the courts do their thing it will go against the DWP if they fail to respond it will make a good outcome for you more likely

Mikey44

Markyboy I won my Tribunal 5 weeks ago and have heard nothing??!!! I called them and they have said they haven’t received the Paperwork from the Tribunal yet??!! Is this a common thing?? I’ve been without anything for over a year now ??? What’s your advice ??

markyboy

You need to contact the court and tell the what they said as things can get lost at the DWP 
They usually pay up within 6 weeks of the decision

Mikey44

Thank you sir for your help 👍🏼👍🏼

markyboy

That's ok  The day that you received the decision from the court they would of had a copy but  with the delays the DWP are experiencing at present i would not be surprised if the letter is still processing thro their postal system and not been looked at yet 
Be patient think of the back pay

mikehughescq

anonymous25 said:

I was searching on the internet to see if anyone else has experienced what Im currently going through with appealing Dwp decision to stopping my PIP completely. In June 2018 I submitted an appeal to Tribunal and till this day off me posting this, DWP has not responded or acknowledged my appeal with Tribunal. I contacted DWP by phone and they apologised for not responding at all and said that they will send the pack with there defence in 2 weeks. 4 weeks have gone and still have not received pack containing DWP defence. yesterday I received a letter from Tribunal and they have stated that they are going to proceed with an oral hearing rather than paper hearing due to no response received. Im worried i will not get my PIP at all even if i win tribunal. Has anyone else out there been treated this way? can anyone advise? 

So by ”not acknowledged” you mean that it has been l0dged but you’ve no appeal bundle as yet.

Write to the DWP appeals team. There have been far too many cases recently where HMCTS claim no bundle and DWP have in fact produced and circulsted one. 

I’m not clear why you would think it possible to win an appeal but not her paid. If you win, you get paid provided DWP don’t appeal further to UT. 

If there’s genuinely a lack of a bundle that will likely help you but you can aid things by providing a copy of your claim pack; the HCP report and all DWP decisions in relation to the issue. 

pjp

I went to tribunal. I won. But weird thing was I got pip before the hearing so I went just to change the group I was placed in .that's still ongoing. All I can say is email pip DWP directly, follow thetofficial complaints procedure thent forward all letters of complaint to ICE. Get all supporting letters you can, if you haven't had the pip meeting yet have an independent witnesses attend, seek legal help to take DWP court go for the new head of DWP evil by name. Criminal negligence and  negligence in public service  is what I went with and took the later to the police to file the charge. I now get higher rate pip.

pjp

If you not getting the bundle go through CaB or the charity/help group that represents you. For me it's Headway. They were fantastic.

Yadnad

mikehughescq said:

anonymous25 said:

you can aid things by providing a copy of your claim pack; the HCP report and all DWP decisions in relation to the issue. 

I attempted to get hold of my DLA file in late 2015 (DLA ceased in 2013 following the transfer to PIP) as the DWP had for the previous 2 years failed to use the information in it to aid the PIP applications.
I was informed, eventually, that the file no longer existed.

So unless you have copies of everything at home including all of the DLA history you are unlikely to get any joy from the DWP in them sending a copy.

mikehughescq

What you were informed was likely incorrect as is your assertion once again about what other people are likely to experience. I’ve done an appeal this week which included a DLA claim pack from 1992. Pretty routine stuff. Instead of believing what DWP tell you maybe investigate further via a subject access request

Yadnad

mikehughescq said:

What you were informed was likely incorrect as is your assertion once again about what other people are likely to experience. I’ve done an appeal this week which included a DLA claim pack from 1992. Pretty routine stuff. Instead of believing what DWP tell you maybe investigate further via a subject access request

Did the DWP send you that DLA file recently?

What has happened to the Civil Service if it is accepted practice that what they say may well be a load of rubbish?

mikehughescq

Appeal bundle received sometime in the past 12 months.

DWP is not the civil service and they’ve been at least this bad for the duration of my career.

Yadnad

mikehughescq said:

Appeal bundle received sometime in the past 12 months.

DWP is not the civil service and they’ve been at least this bad for the duration of my career.

I'm sorry Mike but the DWP is a part of the Civil Service.

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-work-pensions/about/recruitment

From my experience of the DWP which goes back to 1995, I found them to be timely, efficient and correct in all of my dealings with them. Even the Pension Service were originally efficient.

I do accept that things have deteriorated since which is mainly due to the loss of staff and having outside agencies run the telephone system.
 
I eventually retired in 2009 and to be completely frank my department attempted to excel at everything including giving out factually correct answers.

In addition a system was put in place where the public were asked to comment on how their problem was resolved and how well they were treated.

mikehughescq

DWP have never since 1948 in their many guises ecceeeded 67% accuracy in decision making. They eventually stopped publishing the statistics. Your assertion re the Pension Service is surely just a joke. The largest group of underckaimets in the UK remains pensioners and it’s only since the creation of the Pension Service that we’ve had the unique scenario of people being paid pensions late. 

Yadnad

mikehughescq said:

DWP have never since 1948 in their many guises ecceeeded 67% accuracy in decision making. They eventually stopped publishing the statistics. Your assertion re the Pension Service is surely just a joke. The largest group of underckaimets in the UK remains pensioners and it’s only since the creation of the Pension Service that we’ve had the unique scenario of people being paid pensions late. 

All I can repeat is that I had good service from the Pension Service, beit for my State Pension or Pension Credit in the 2009 to 2015 period. The only mistake they made was to treat one of my private pensions as payable weekly instead of monthly.
From about 2015 I haven't had any reason to communicate with them so cannot confirm or deny if anything has changed. However I have heard from others that recently trying to get through to them has been difficult.

Again as regards the DWP in general, my only contact with them started in 1995 - IIDB and ESA in particular for which things went quite smoothly.

I will admit that I had professional assistance at that time from Welfare Rights that were attached to the local authority via my involvement with the Mental Health Community Team and having a nominated Social Worker. They did everything for me including correspondence etc. However that stopped in about 2002 when things were supposed to be dealt with within the Care in the Community programme that was rolled out which never happened in my case - I seemed to have been lost in the ether.

mikehughescq

So, as ever, your big sweeping assertions of things like the PS originally being efficient are based on nothing but your own limited experience and it’s very limited at that. Utterly bizarre.

atlas46

Hi @mikehughescq

Think you are flogging the proverbial "dead horse", with respect to @Yadnab.

Have you got a link for your post, about Wrexham AFC?  I love my radio coverage of football. If that makes sense.

mikehughescq

Eh? How did we get to that? It’s literally the only thread uve ever started on here so should be easy enough to find.

atlas46

Hi

I was simply seeking an example of the enhanced speech, for less sighted people.

Just so I could listen to a commentary of a match. There is no link on the BBC as you posted.

I refer you to my first and only post on this site!

Come on England.

mikehughescq

Ah, the video was from BBC Wales Today and has since been taken down from iPlayer. This link may have some of it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46482677

ADC done well is just way more satisfying than traditional commrntary.

Apologies to everyone else. We’re way off topic here

atlas46

Hi

Sorry to be a pain, but I am looking for a link to ADC, so I can judge for myself.

Is there a broadcast edition, that you could kindly provide?

It's sounds great, would just like to hear sample of commentary.

Yadnad

mikehughescq said:

So, as ever, your big sweeping assertions of things like the PS originally being efficient are based on nothing but your own limited experience and it’s very limited at that. Utterly bizarre.

That's all most people can reference things by - their own experiences. 

mikehughescq

atlas46 said:

Hi

Sorry to be a pain, but I am looking for a link to ADC, so I can judge for myself.

Is there a broadcast edition, that you could kindly provide?

It's sounds great, would just like to hear sample of commentary.

Don’t know to be honest. As far as I know it’s broadcast live and that’s that.

Yadnad said:

mikehughescq said:

So, as ever, your big sweeping assertions of things like the PS originally being efficient are based on nothing but your own limited experience and it’s very limited at that. Utterly bizarre.

That's all most people can reference things by - their own experiences. 

Duh! Yes, but it’s the perpetual leap from your experience to assertions as to how entire organisations and the rest of the population behave that’s the issue. On the hand you riff on these things and when you expand on your experience it inevitably becomes obvious it’s not even extensive experience in most cases but you remain adamant that your experience must be the same as others even when it patently isn’t. 

atlas46

Hi

Just asking for simple link.

Many thanks.

mikehughescq

I don’t know of any. Sorry.