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PIPQuestions Member Posts: 32 Connected
Does he base his decision solely on the PIP F2P assessment or does he look at your history of PIP or other benefits such as ESA and take those into consideration ?

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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 28,459 Disability Gamechanger
    They mostly go with the assessment report, it's rare to go against it. ESA and PIP are different benefits and won't help a PIP claim.
  • PIPQuestions
    PIPQuestions Member Posts: 32 Connected
    They mostly go with the assessment report, it's rare to go against it. ESA and PIP are different benefits and won't help a PIP claim.
    Hmm ok. My pip f2f went incredibly smooth and stress free , my ESA ones are a lot worse and cause me to have major panic attacks. With pip if I can't answer / don't know how to I say don't know and he accepted it. With ESA they just keep pushing and pushing which causes me to have panic attacks as I don't know how to answer it (end up walking out of the assessment )

    Also my pip f2f seemed to focus more on my physical health problems rather than my mental health which was the main reason for applying for it ??


    All very confused right now.. pip assessment seemed too good to be true in comparison to my ESA ones..



  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Posts: 8,847 Connected
    They look at any DLA evidence (if you ask them to during the conversion call); the claim pack; the HCP report and anything else sent in.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 28,459 Disability Gamechanger
    They look at any DLA evidence (if you ask them to during the conversion call); the claim pack; the HCP report and anything else sent in.
    That's interesting since mostly the DM's go with the report, it's rare for them to go against it.
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Posts: 8,847 Connected
    Very true but they’re legally obliged and do look at everything. Thus why a high quality claim pack is so crucial. 
  • Yadnad
    Yadnad Posts: 2,856 Connected
    They look at any DLA evidence (if you ask them to during the conversion call); the claim pack; the HCP report and anything else sent in.
    That's interesting since mostly the DM's go with the report, it's rare for them to go against it.
    It's the easy option unless something is so strikingly obvious that what is in the report cannot be right.
    What case managers should do and what they do in reality are generally two totally different things. They don't have the time to wade through everything. 
    It's like saying that someone who has always been awarded High Rate Mobility for DLA you would expect that they would get at least 8 points and up to 10 points for the moving around descriptor of PIP.
    The reality is that if the assessor reports that you can walk over 200 metres then you get no points!
  • snakes2505
    snakes2505 Member Posts: 5 Listener
    Best thing to do is order all you medical records from your doctor, hospital records and mental records so they have the compleat piture of you. And answer the questions simply and strait to the point.
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Posts: 8,847 Connected
    Best thing to do is order all you medical records from your doctor, hospital records and mental records so they have the compleat piture of you. And answer the questions simply and strait to the point.
    It really isn’t. Your medical records contain literally nothing on your functional abilities, which is the actual focus of PIP.
  • Yadnad
    Yadnad Posts: 2,856 Connected
    edited November 2018
    Best thing to do is order all you medical records from your doctor, hospital records and mental records so they have the compleat piture of you. And answer the questions simply and strait to the point.
    It really isn’t. Your medical records contain literally nothing on your functional abilities, which is the actual focus of PIP.
    In other words either a private or government/council funded O T Assessment carried out is the way to go. Maybe also a full and in depth report from a CPN or maybe a social worker.
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Posts: 8,847 Connected
    No, the absolute best thing is your own detailed anecdotal evidence. 
  • Yadnad
    Yadnad Posts: 2,856 Connected
    edited November 2018
    No, the absolute best thing is your own detailed anecdotal evidence. 
    On the assumption that the assessor/DWP actually think and believe that you are a credible claimant.

    I could write a best selling book of fiction about how my life could be impacted - on the other hand I would be writing it on the basis that I am the person suffering so it could be said to be a non fictional book - but who could tell??

  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Posts: 8,847 Connected
    edited November 2018
    Credibility comes solely from detail and linking to points. Get those sorted and the fact it’s the claimant saying it adds rather than detracts.
  • Yadnad
    Yadnad Posts: 2,856 Connected
    Credibility comes solely from detail and linking to points. Get those sorted and the fact it’s the claimant saying it adds rather than detracts.
    Of course it does but credibility can be manufactured.
    What you are saying is accepting without question that the claimant is being totally honest. There are some, and I have met a few in my time that would have you and me sometimes, believe that what they say is the truth - that is until you drill down into the 'story' in great depth - it is then than things start to unravel. 

  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Posts: 8,847 Connected
    Sigh. Why even focus on that? It’s a minority occupation and when it comes to social security appeals claims credibility soon unravels. The constant focus on the negative side of such things gets a little wearying. 

    It’s near impossible to put together a PIP 2 claiming, for example, points on 4 daily living descriptors and 1 mobility without having 10 actual examples. In 32 years I’ve not seen anyone pull that one off. You either have 10 real incidents or you don’t. 

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