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Medical assessment

laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
Hi can anyone advise me on medical assessment I'm in the work related group was due a medical but my doctor wrote a letter to request a home visit they have wrote to me and said they have enough evidence now and I don't need a medical now do you think they will put me back into the support group 

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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    HI,

    It's impossible to answer that question i'm afraid. The good news is that you can't be found fit for work without a face to face assessment but you can be placed into either of the groups.

    Ring DWP and ask for a copy of the assessment report, this will give you some idea what the decision is likely to be as they mostly go with the report.
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  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
  • worried33worried33 Member Posts: 399 Pioneering
    Its very likely you will be in the support group in my opinion if they done a paper assessment.  Its not a 100% certainty but generally if they think you will be WRAG and especially fit for work they will request a face to face.
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    Yes I'm in the wrag at the moment so hopefully it will change back to support group 

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You can be placed into either group without a face to face assessment. The only exception to this, is that if it's your very first time claiming then you can only be placed into the Support Group, but this doesn't apply to you.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    I was put in wrag I went to a medical and passed the medical but was kept in wrag I have put a mr in does it help my case that I passed the medical when they consider my mr please
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    Think you will need to get more evidence of your illness from your doctor I'm not sure I would call them and ask them if they need more evidence
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    I didn't go to my medical they didn't need me to go in the end they said they had enough evidence from my doctor and hospital
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You said earlier that you went to a medical, and no you're saying you didn't need to go.

    Either way, if you think the decision is wrong then you need to look at the support group descriptors to see which you think apply to you, if any. They won't apply to everyone.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    I didn't say I had gone to the medical read the first comment I made I said they had enough evidence so I didn't have to go
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    Read my first comment I didn't say I had gone for a medical
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I was put in wrag I went to a medical and passed the medical but was kept in wrag I have put a mr in does it help my case that I passed the medical when they consider my mr please
    No, this won't help your MR or Tribunal. Take a look at the support group descriptors to see if there's any that applu to you. There's no point appealing the decision if you don't qualify for the support group.



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  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    I thought if you scored under 15 points then you would have to go to a tribunal.Will I have to go to a tribunal even though I scored over 15 points please
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I thought if you scored under 15 points then you would have to go to a tribunal.Will I have to go to a tribunal even though I scored over 15 points please
    You scored the 15 points which placed you into the WRAG. Being placed into the Support Group isn't about scoring points. It's about satisfying at least one of the Support Group descriptors in the link i posted.

    If you request the MR and the decision stays the same then your next step is Tribunal. Most people have to take it to Tribunal. You need to look at the descriptors for the Support Group because there's no point in requesting the MR then Tribunal if none of the descriptors apply to you.

    I urge you to get face to face advice before requesting the MR because you seem very confused about the whole thing and this isn't helping you.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    I would go to cab and ask them
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    I got an appointment with welfare rights on Wednesday.I am very confused poppy123456 when I was on incapacity benefit you knew where you stood with esa I think the mojarity of people claiming esa don’t understand. Thanks for your advice poppy and laney 
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    Your welcome hope you get it sorted
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    As you have an appointment with welfare rights, you're stepping in the ring direction. They'll be able to give you all the advice and support you need. They'll also look at all your details/conditions etc and tell you whether they think you meet the criteria for the Support Group.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    I have had a email of my Mp.Will they write something for me aswell poppy.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Your local MP will have no idea about claiming benefits or the criteria for the Support Group. A letter from them will be of no help here. Please wait until you see welfare rights.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    If I go to my Gp poppy.What should I ask him to do for me thanks.
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    My MP helped me I don't think it will do any harm to ask
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    I just received my medical report from dwp.They contradicting what they say in the report.They also say I advise that work could be considered within 12 months.
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    My medical report doesn’t say how many points I got or whether I passed or failed the medical is that a normal thing the dwp do.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Letters from a GP aren't the best evidence to send because a GP very rarely knows how your conditions affect you.

    The recommendation of work after 12 months doesn't mean you have to look for work after this time. It just means that you could be re-assessed again at this time, although for ESA you can be re-assessed after 3 months.

    The assessment report will never tell you how many points you got because what's in the report will just be a recommendation.

    I know you're anxious but please wait until Wednesday when you have the appointment to see the welfare rights person and they'll help you. They will also advise you on whether or not they think you'll meet the Support Group criteria. There's really nothing more you can do until you've been to this appointment.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    The last medical I had they said in a letter that I received from dwp said I got two 6 points for my illness and that was only two years ago has it changed since 2016
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    WRAG is based on points and you need 15 at least or reg 29. Support Group isn't based on points as previously advised, with 2 links in a previous post explaining the Support Group descriptors.

    I really can't help you any further because no one on an internet forum knows how your conditions affect you. Once you see the welfare rights officer on Wednesday you'll be able to explain your conditions and how they affect you to them. They will then be able to advise you on whether one of the Support Group descriptors apply to you. There's no point requesting the MR if they don't apply to you.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    Ok thanks for your help poppy.Didnt mean to keep on just don’t understand things and it feels like they are moving the goalposts(dwp) all the time.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    No problem. They haven't moved any goal posts for ESA for either of the groups. I've been claiming this benefit for almost 7 years and have always been in the Support group for the same descriptor.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    Sorry poppy I disagree I have had the same illness for a number of years I am on exactly the same medication I got the same illness.And I am moved for the third time from one group to another since being moved from incapacity to esa.
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    Same for me also 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    That doesn't mean the goal posts have been moved, because they haven't. The descriptors for both groups are exactly the same as they always been.

    You won't be the first or the last person to be put into a different group at assessment. Each re-assessment is classed as a new claim. It's your responsibility to prove at least one of the Support Group descriptors apply to you.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    Cab told me that they are trying to get everyone over to universal credit so people are failing there medical assessments I think professional advice is needed as everyone is different
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    Thats why a high court judge ruled that the dwp were discriminateing against people with mental health issues and they are still doing it.
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    The can’t even do universal credit every one is having problems with that.
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    I know we are discriminated against because and don't understand and  can't see the disability 
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    I really hope you get it sorted
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    I'm not asking on here for help I thought it was people you ask who are professional 
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    Cheers laney1970.I hope so myself mate nearly a year now in wrag if I had known I would of asked to go to a tribunal but didn’t know I could.I haven’t even been to the Jobcentre for over a year and my mrs had one phone call of them in a year .
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    Poppy you said my doctor wouldn’t be able to write something for me because he doesn’t know how my illness effects me day to day well how can someone from dwp that work in a office got no medical experience make a decision on my illness and has never met me.But they can make decisions on people’s illness 
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    I've not even been to the job centre in over 3 years I'm in wrag I'm hoping Ile be put back into support group I should hear from them in next 2 weeks they said 
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    Fingers crossed for you laney 
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    Let me know how you get on please
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    No problem I’ll more information on Wednesday. Have you had your medical laney
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    No my doctor asked for a home visit I got a letter to say they had enough evidence so no medical needed 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    As i advised, you will need to speak to welfare rights and they will give you face to face advice. I'm afraid i can't advise you any further but wish you good luck and hope you get the right decision for you.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    I have a specialist at the hospital aswell as I have PTSD so he wrote a letter aswell 
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    Hopefully you get back in the support group.Good luck and let us know how you get on.
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
  • worried33worried33 Member Posts: 399 Pioneering
    edited December 2018
    Poppy is sort of right,

    the actual descriptors have stayed the same.

    However the DWP have been constantly reviewing and tweaking things in terms of interpretation to determine if someone may or may not hit a descriptor.  An example been on imaginary aids to assist with mobility, thats one thats been tweaked since ESA was introduced.
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    Does anyone know how long it takes for a decision to be made in what group I will be in 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    laney1970 said:
    Does anyone know how long it takes for a decision to be made in what group I will be in 
    There's no timescales to any decisions. Ring DWP to ask for a copy of the assessment report, this will give you some idea what the decision is likely to be as they mostly go with the report.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    Hi I received my medical report very confusing 
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    It says I advise the client meets the criteria for limited capability for work and work related activity then in the next bit of letter it says instability in mental health likely to deteriorate under added pressure or stress such as been asked to engage in work or work related activity does that mean there advising I stay in wrag on move back to support group
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    That's Support Group recommendation. Usually they go with the report, it's very rare to go against it. You do need to wait for the decision though.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    I hope it's support group it's giving me a lot of stress at the moment been fighting it for 4 months now 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    They word it differently now and Support Group is Limited capability for work related activity (LCWRA) Seems like it's reg 35.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    Hello just to let you know I'm back in the support group
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    But I'm confused no back pay they said
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    Sound news laney.I thought if they put you in wrag and you was put back in support group the money they take of you for being in wrag you get back I assumed.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
     You were previously in the WRAG and the changes take place from the date of the decision, which means no back pay, i'm afraid. New amount starts from the date of the decision.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    At least I'm back in support group now thankyou for all your help
  • laney1970laney1970 Member Posts: 67 Connected
    Mathew have you got sorted yet
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    I got turned down for my mr the one I done over the phone. Welfare rights sent one on the 19th.Will they still take that mr from welfare rights.Or have They already made a decision on the one I done on the phone.
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    Poppy 123456 I was put in wrag after one year dwp made that decision saying I had received 365 days of support group money and they cut my money.Does this mean if I get put back in support group I want receive the money they have been taking of me.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I got turned down for my mr the one I done over the phone. Welfare rights sent one on the 19th.Will they still take that mr from welfare rights.Or have They already made a decision on the one I done on the phone.
    Did you receive a decision letter for that MR? if so then yes, that's the decision. Most MR decisions remain the same anyway and there's only an 18% chance of the decision changing at that stage. Always better to put it in writing, rather than request over the phone but the chances are still the same.

    If you've had the decision letter then you'll need that to request the Tribunal. They'll refuse you without it. It's a long wait with a lot of areas having backlogs as long as 1 year.

    If you haven't claimed UC once the Tribunal accept your request you can go back onto assessment rate for ESA but you'll need sick notes from your GP.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    Yes poppy they sent out a letter saying your mr notice they sent two of them.
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    Poppy123456 is best thing for me to do now is when I send the letter to tribunal is to have welfare rights to write a letter to go with it.Thank you for your advice very grateful.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    As welfare rights is helping you with the process then i'd advise you speak to them. They will know all the details about your case. Good luck.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • Matthewsheehy24Matthewsheehy24 Member Posts: 72 Courageous
    Thank you poppy123456and every one else who give me good information.
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