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Going Out Descriptors - OCD

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edited February 2019 in PIP, DLA and AA
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  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 965 Disability Gamechanger

    I don’t really know anything about your condition but it reads to my very much like you are trying to hedge your bets, as you intimate at the beginning, and it has become very confused. Also, you seem to repeat the phrases from the descriptor without giving any examples e.g,      “…I cannot undertake a journey, familiar or unfamiliar, without assistance, due to the overwhelming psychological distress I feel when I do so” which is fairly obviously a cut and paste from the descriptors.

    For me the obvious things to clarify are :-

    If you can go out on two days per week unassisted/with prompting what is different on those days to the other five days? 

    When you say that you ‘cannot undertake a journey’ do you mean that you can’t go anywhere? Can you go to the local shop? (if there is one) 

    If your condition causes you exhaustion and you can’t go out, does it also prevent you doing other things such as having a shower, or cooking a meal?

    Just my two pennyworth..

    Good luck…



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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    zinty said:
    descriptor (e) cannot go out on any journey because it would cause overwhelming distress - does that apply ONLY to people who NEVER go out?
    Yes, that's correct.
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Even leaving your home once per week means that you won't score points in descriptor E.

    This link may help.

    You'll also need to give 2-3 examples of what happened the last time you attempted that activity for each descriptor that applies to you.


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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    E definitely doesn't apply here because you can actually go out. The rest has nothing to do with only going out 1 day a week. Have you read the link i posted above? This will explain the activities and what they mean in greater detail.


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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    edited February 2019
    I'm sorry but you're reading it wrong. If you can undertake 1 journey, even if it's familiar then you won't score points in descriptor E.

    This is why you need to get face to face advice because if you don't understand the descriptors and what they mean then that's not a good start.
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    If your talking about E  then it clearly states ‘Any journey’ means that in order to satisfy the descriptor on any particular day the person must not be able to manage to undertake a single journey. If the person can manage to leave the home to undertake a journey once then on that day the descriptor is not satisfied, even if they are unable to undertake other journeys during the same day.

    This means that if you are able to go out once during the day, whether it's once a fortnight it doesn't matter. You will not score any points for the activity.
    (night time isn't included)

    This is why is says, can not undertake any journey.

    Does any other activity apply to you?
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Yes psychological distress is part of this. It does say in that link i posted under F that this applies.
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  • YadnadYadnad Member - under moderation Posts: 2,862 Disability Gamechanger
    edited February 2019
    Surely you are not supposed the use the descriptors and then try to fit what the impact is to them?

    The sensible way as I see it is to tell it as it is, the good, bad and ugly giving good examples and then see if you would fit any of the descriptors.

    At the end of the day the only person that will decide will be the DWP case manager who would be following what the assessor suggests.

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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Of course you need to look at the descriptors to see which ones apply and why. That's the whole purpose of applying and filling out the form correctly. I don't know why anyone would think any different.
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  • YadnadYadnad Member - under moderation Posts: 2,862 Disability Gamechanger
    Yes look at them but surely not use them to try and make your claim fit them?
    Isn't the correct way to look at your impact and then look to see if what it is would fit any descriptor.
    In fact the poster is copying the descriptor into their claim.

    Doing it the way you are suggesting is like trying to fit a square peg (the impact) into a round hole (the descriptor) by shaving off the edges to make it fit.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    edited February 2019
    I see what you mean yes. I agree with you here, i didn't actually look at it this way. You don't look at the descriptor to try to make them apply to you no.
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  • YadnadYadnad Member - under moderation Posts: 2,862 Disability Gamechanger
    edited February 2019
    No anger issues at all - completely chilled out in fact at the moment.
    Just commenting on what is the correct way to view a PIP descriptor and how the PIP2 should be filled out.
    Poppy put up a link in her earlier post as to what this descriptor means.

    Wouldn't it make life easier for you to just put down what the impact is and then look at the link to see where, even if it does, fit any descriptor. Don't get bogged down into trying to make the impact fit the descriptor or the descriptor fit the impact.

    The sorry fact is that sometimes there are claimants that may well be seriously disabled but that the impact based on those disabilities just does not fit any of the descriptors no matter how hard you try to get them to fit.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Regardless of how it should or shouldn't be done descriptor E only applies if you're not able to go out at all during the day.
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