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PIP Assessments For Mental Health

GeraldGerald Member Posts: 214 Pioneering
Hi just asking if some can tell me how The PIP Assessments For Mental Health is done and how do the assessors do the Mental Health assessment.

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  • Pipquestions2Pipquestions2 Member Posts: 92 Pioneering
    edited February 2019
    What you mean? 

    They will just ask your questions relating to how your mental health effects you and some other ****. For the most part it'd just what you've written in the form and some others to get deeper as to why. You can't really answer the question as to what they're gonna say because their questions are focused on what you've put on the form.


    They also do a mental assessment to test your memory etc apparently. I'm not really sure how this is done. Apparently they done it with me but I'm not really sure how.... I think the assessor lied about doing this, unless it's done in a completely subtle way. 
  • michfinchmichfinch Member Posts: 173 Pioneering
    They’re useless with Mental Health - I’ve got Epilepsy and memory loss plus Depression. PIP as far as Mental Health is concerned is not fit for purpose. I’m campaigning at the moment. Sorry but I think I might have to get a walking aid!! Even though I need a brain aid!!
  • GeraldGerald Member Posts: 214 Pioneering
    Hi michfinch its just that my assessment on the report it was put down as know Mental Health problems as asked if I can drive and read signs the problem is that I do not drive now as with my physical problems with disabilities which I tell the assessor about and suffer from severe depression and anxiety and in the reports that were sent to them with my pip claim form from the Mental Health Team And my Specially Trained Counselor who I see weekly plus my medication but the assessor put know problems as I drove in the past so know mental health problems I just cannot work it out how they come to that decision or is it me being wrong about it.
  • michfinchmichfinch Member Posts: 173 Pioneering
    I think we have to stick together because Mental Health is more difficult for the Assessors to Assess than saying “can you walk without an aid”. Have you a particular Mental Health diagnosis?
  • GeraldGerald Member Posts: 214 Pioneering
    Hi michfinch   is it okay with you if I just put down severe depression and anxiety thank you as it hard to talk about sorry 
  • michfinchmichfinch Member Posts: 173 Pioneering
    Put down what your Dr says or what it says on your Fit Note. Depression is an awful thing to live with, again it is a mental, not physical illness. Depression runs in my family. Now my youngest Son is having counselling for Depression. Keep well.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You don't need a fit note to to claim PIP because PIP isn't about being unfit for work. Putting down depression won't help a PIP claim. You need to explain exactly how your conditions affect you.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • michfinchmichfinch Member Posts: 173 Pioneering
    I’m quite aware of that. However UC require a Fit Note. My Work Coach tells me so. My Dr says I’m unfit for work and UC say I am but still require me to produce a Fit Note. If you know anything about Epilepsy, you’ll know Depression is just one factor of Epilepsy.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    This thread is about PIP not UC. To claim LCW for UC you need a fit note from your GP but this doesn't automatically give you LCW.

    Yes, i know all about epilepsy because i've had it for over 40 years. I actually lost my driving license for 9 years because of it.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • GeraldGerald Member Posts: 214 Pioneering
    Hi poppy123456 I did and its in the reports that were sent to them with my pip claim form from the Mental Health Team who come to see me at home  And my Specially Trained Counselor who I see weekly plus my medication and it still did not count in the eyes of the assessor so how much more do they need and that is how come I'm going to the tribunal after the report from my assessor it was a total joke 
  • michfinchmichfinch Member Posts: 173 Pioneering
    I can’t drive full stop! I’ve had Epilepsy since 1972. I’ve had my friend a Lawyer with me and basically it appears (and confirmed today in front of my Son at UC “work meeting” with “Fitness Note”, the don’t know what to do with me.
  • michfinchmichfinch Member Posts: 173 Pioneering
    Hence me advising I submit Fit Notes every 28 days.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I'm completely confused with the thread because one minute it's about PIP and then the next it's fit notes for UC. I wish you both good luck with your Tribunals for UC/ESA and PIP.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • michfinchmichfinch Member Posts: 173 Pioneering
    So you tell me what benefit I should be on when the DWP themselves don’t know what to do with me?
  • michfinchmichfinch Member Posts: 173 Pioneering
    If the DWP don’t know what to do with me, as I said, what chance do we with Mental Illness’ have?! I am asked by DWP/UC to provide Fit Notes, which I do, got it? My Dr says I am unfit for work. You work that one out. A Nurse Practioner makes a decision and over-rules a Specialist and the Dr’s Fit Notes. It’s designed to confuse Epileptics, however, if you have got through the red tape, tell me, and others how?
  • michfinchmichfinch Member Posts: 173 Pioneering
    I think you’re confused because you’ve not been in this ludicrous complex situation!
  • michfinchmichfinch Member Posts: 173 Pioneering
    As I say I’m in touch with Amber Rudd. My background is worldwide Press and PR, I started www.toffs.com but had to retire due to a near nervous breakdown and resurgence in Epilepsy, so I will use my contacts to unravel this mess for us Epileptics
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I'm confused because the thread was about PIP, not UC and not for any other reason. My reason's for claiming benefits are totally different to your reasons. I was simply trying to help you so please be mindful of your tone.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • michfinchmichfinch Member Posts: 173 Pioneering
    I am mindful, stress is one of my Epilepsy triggers. I am merely asking you, if you know so much, and no one in the Benefits Agency seems to know what to do with me, and you seem so knowledgable, what do I do? Merely asking a question of you. We all suffer stress, but don’t make it an excuse....
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I have no problems helping anyone, it's the only reason i'm here. I don't know your whole story but i'm assuming you claimed ESA, had the assessment and were found fit for work?  Once this happened you claimed UC and appealed the ESA decision am i right? If so, did you take the ESA decision to Tribunal? and for UC they won't accept your fit note? 
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • michfinchmichfinch Member Posts: 173 Pioneering
    So, going back to the original question PIP, yes another Appeal for me as an Epileptic for PIP and, as I mentioned earlier, at my ESA Appeal, the Judge raised her eyebrows and said I should be on PIP. All understood. Happy to help anyone and not get upset/agitated/feel as though I’m being tormented etc. I’m a tough lady and who just wants justice rather than being a wimp.
  • michfinchmichfinch Member Posts: 173 Pioneering
    And don’t encourage this country to be a Nanny State “please be mindful of your tone”, you told me you were Epileptic, so I thought we had empathy. You have the “tone” not me!
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Are you kidding me? I'm actually trying to help you, which is why i asked you the questions above......
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • michfinchmichfinch Member Posts: 173 Pioneering
    Actually, from my viewpoint, you are very antagonistic. I’ve explained the situation, explained the system doesn’t know what to do with my situation, as experienced by my Partner and my Son and merely asked you, if the Authorities don’t know what to do with me, in your experienced opinion, where am I going wrong? Thank you.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You call me antagonistic after i tried to help you, yet you still want my help. I'm sorry but i'm done here but i wish you good luck.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • Firefly123Firefly123 Member Posts: 525 Pioneering
    It's hard to understand exactly what you are asking UC pip or the system. 
  • Pipquestions2Pipquestions2 Member Posts: 92 Pioneering
    You call me antagonistic after i tried to help you, yet you still want my help. I'm sorry but i'm done here but i wish you good luck.
     Do you know what the mental assessment entails? 

    In my report it says they didn't carry out the physical assessment because it wasn't necessary (I've had this done before for ESA though if it's the same thing).  I'd agree with that but it also says

    It says they done the mental assessment and I showed no problems with memory etc  which I agree with so no complaints , but I don't remember them doing the mental assessment at all . Is this done by asking innocent questions and assuming or is it more formal like the physical one? 


    Not really the thread for.it but not worthy of a new thread either. Just a random question I've had for a while, just really wondering if it's done "innocently" or if he lied about doing that aswell

  • GeraldGerald Member Posts: 214 Pioneering
    It's hard to understand exactly what you are asking UC pip or the system. 
    Hi Firefly123 all I was asking was I did this as its in the reports that were sent to them with my PIP Claim form from the Mental Health Team who come to see me at home  And my Specially Trained Counselor who I see weekly plus my medication and it still did not count in the eyes of the assessor so how much more do they need and that is how come I'm going to the tribunal after the report from my assessor it was a total joke has to the problems i have he  as asked if I can drive and read signs the problem is that I do not drive now as with my physical problems with disabilities which I tell the assessor about and suffer from severe depression and anxiety and in the reports but the assessor put know problems as I drove in the past so know mental health problems I just cannot work it out how they come to that decision or is it me being wrong about it. From Gerald    
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger

     Do you know what the mental assessment entails? 

    In my report it says they didn't carry out the physical assessment because it wasn't necessary (I've had this done before for ESA though if it's the same thing).  I'd agree with that but it also says

    It says they done the mental assessment and I showed no problems with memory etc  which I agree with so no complaints , but I don't remember them doing the mental assessment at all . Is this done by asking innocent questions and assuming or is it more formal like the physical one? 


    Not really the thread for.it but not worthy of a new thread either. Just a random question I've had for a while, just really wondering if it's done "innocently" or if he lied about doing that aswell

    The mental part can come from the questions they ask you. During my daughters assessment they asked her to add 2 numbers together. Then he asked her to spell a word backwards. The last one was a memory test, he said some words, 3/4 i think then asked her to repeat them. She couldn't do any of them. This was the only way they could do the mental part for her because i'm her appointee and answered all questions on her behalf, apart from those of course.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • michfinchmichfinch Member Posts: 173 Pioneering
    Unfortunately it’s not fit for purpose for Mental Health. I can add up, subtract, count backwards but ask me when my next Seizure will be and how it will affect my brain next time and how long it will take me to recover, I can’t....
  • Pipquestions2Pipquestions2 Member Posts: 92 Pioneering
    edited February 2019

     Do you know what the mental assessment entails? 

    In my report it says they didn't carry out the physical assessment because it wasn't necessary (I've had this done before for ESA though if it's the same thing).  I'd agree with that but it also says

    It says they done the mental assessment and I showed no problems with memory etc  which I agree with so no complaints , but I don't remember them doing the mental assessment at all . Is this done by asking innocent questions and assuming or is it more formal like the physical one? 


    Not really the thread for.it but not worthy of a new thread either. Just a random question I've had for a while, just really wondering if it's done "innocently" or if he lied about doing that aswell

    The mental part can come from the questions they ask you. During my daughters assessment they asked her to add 2 numbers together. Then he asked her to spell a word backwards. The last one was a memory test, he said some words, 3/4 i think then asked her to repeat them. She couldn't do any of them. This was the only way they could do the mental part for her because i'm her appointee and answered all questions on her behalf, apart from those of course.
    I would consider your daughter's more formal .that wasn't done with me. They never asked me to actually "do" anything. 

    I'm assuming mine was either subtly done through innocent questions, or wasn't done at all and this was another thing lied about. However I don't have any troubles with writing, maths or memory so I'm not too bothered either way was just something I was wondering for a while. In hindsight he did ask me if I take my medication every day, to which I said only Creon(which I have to take before eating). I'm guessing he's assumed my memory is good enough if I remember to take that... So that at least answers one of them lol

    Thanks 
  • michfinchmichfinch Member Posts: 173 Pioneering
    Thank thank you for your explanation. I can, of course, spell backwards etc. I just don’t know when my next aura or seizure is going to be. My epilepsy is temporal lobe, I can, as I did, go for years seizure free. Stress and hormones are my triggers. I left a very stressful marriage even having a seizure on Christmas Day once! Now I had no warning that was going to happen! Anyway, medication tripled for Epilepsy and doubled now for Depression. 
  • michfinchmichfinch Member Posts: 173 Pioneering
    Yes, thank you :-) I did write to Amber Rudd about the Not Fit for Purpose for Epileptics (as with many mental health conditions) Assessment. Hopefully my next Assessment coming up will be different.
  • GeraldGerald Member Posts: 214 Pioneering
    edited February 2019
    ilovecats said:
    The mental state examination is largely observed. The majority of people will not be asked anything. 

    Cognitive testing is the only thing that is more formal, e.g serial 7’s, spell ‘world’ backwards, work out change and word recall tests. 

    The assessor watched everything you do and makes a judgement on what they see.

    With regards to Epilepsy that is more covered in condition history and Variabilty with regards to how it affects you, how many seizures, any triggers, any warnings, are the warnings useful, any history of status or multi fits, post ictal phases, recovery etc etc.

    The you feel about your seizures is not covered in your mental state. 
    I have to say ilovecats that if you just work it out like that The assessor watched everything you do and makes a judgement on what they see and  
    The mental state examination is largely observed. The majority of people will not be asked anything.
    So you are saying that the assessor do not look at reports that have been sent in from a Mental Health Team who come to see me at home  And my Specially Trained Counselor who I see weekly plus my medication and it still do not count in the eyes of the assessor its just a judgement on what they see and so to the assessor and its just how you look well that's a top way to do a PIP Assessment 
  • Antonia_AlumniAntonia_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 1,781 Pioneering
    edited February 2019
    Hi @michfinch

    Please be aware of the tone and language you use on the community, we appreciate your support in the community. But let's be kind, as we all trying to keep the community as safe and supportive as possible.

    If you have any questions or concerns please email us: [email protected]

    Thank you.
  • michfinchmichfinch Member Posts: 173 Pioneering
    I’m just trying to get answers to questions which are probing but at the end of the day, if I can assist people, they can assist me and some people think they know it all and aren’t helpful, then I’ll stick with the community where we are trying to help each other and ignore others who appear to want to dismiss new pieces of evidence to help. That’s all.
    I didn’t write the answer to ilovecats. 
    I’m here to help and upset a few apple carts by challenging the Govt depts, that’s all. It’s what I did when I was working, if I don’t agree with something, feel people, especially Epileptics, are being mistreated, I have a right to my opinion. 99.9% of the people on here are not antagonistic. Not everyone knows it all, so it’s good to communicate and have free flowing discussion.
    That is what I thought a forum was for? I’m learning all the time about how other people are being “treated”. I do use my previous PR skills and Contacts to endeavour to understand this benefit minefield. If I can help others, that gives me great satisfaction. Thank you for this forum.
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