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script2019script2019 Member Posts: 8 Listener
edited April 2019 in PIP, DLA and AA
I have recently had a PIP assessment and caught the assessor, and decision telling blatant lies on the "live recording", i provided the recording equipments and cassettes, and the full assessment was recorded LIVE!

However, i was failed based on the most rriduclous of reasons, a, can cook a basic meal, b, can open a door and c, can walk 20 meters, but what had happened was, my sentences were edited, they wrote down stuff i said in jest or took parts of a full sentence and made it fit their story, so i asked for a mandatory consideration USING THE LIVE RECORDING, guess what? THEY HAD CONVENIENTLY MANAGED TO LOSE THEIR COPY OF THE ASSESSMENT!!!

I have an advisor that has stated that at the hearing the judge etc will not listen to the recording either, so i have a serious problem!

I have mind blowing evidence that will reveal these people as liars and cheats but i have no way of making it available to the 3 people on the panel...

I need the whole thing transcripting and i dont know where to start looking, i cant lose if this information can be added to my tribunals evidence bundle!

Does anyone know of a place that will transcript my tape? They have removed £180 PER WEEK from my benefits since PIP was introduced, and ive been left in poverty!

I need your help!!!

Gary

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  • Antonia_AlumniAntonia_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 1,781 Pioneering
    Welcome to the community @script2019 I am sorry to hear this, you may want to contact your local CAB and see if they have any suggestions.
  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    @script2019 - can you not do the transcript yourself?

    I did a transcript of my recording (not all of it, just the relevant bits)which proved useful but I didn't get as far as a tribunal. It took quite a long time but i thought that it was worth it.

    Not in relation to PIP, but I've previously used voice recognition software to do a draft - I think that a lot depends on how clear the recording is...

    Good luck...
  • script2019script2019 Member Posts: 8 Listener
    The recording is crystal, ive been put onto someone who converts audio to cd or usb for £12 so thats what im going with. My representative will send it recorded and then its upto them if they wish to proceed without listening to it, which wont look good infront of the panel 😉

    Cheers
  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    @ilovecats - why do you need to pay someone to transcribe it?
  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    @ilovecats - the reason I ask is that I wondered if you might have personal knowledge of this as it seems to be something that is often quoted..and i can't correct you 'cos i don't know for certain!

    I prepared a transcript ready for tribunal. Fortunately it didn't get far but my intention was to serve it on the DWP well in advance of the date, so if they didn't agree with it then they would have time to say so. The ultimate decision as to admissibility would rest with the judge I imagine....

    I wouldn't have thought that it's a question of 'impartiality' since even the police don't have independent transcription of interviews (and you don't get more un-impartial than that!!)

    Thanks...


  • twonkertwonker Posts: 617 Member
    cristobal said:
    I wouldn't have thought that it's a question of 'impartiality' since even the police don't have independent transcription of interviews (and you don't get more un-impartial than that!!)

    Thanks...


    There is no need for that. They are not in the habit of fudging transcriptions unlike some individuals that have tried to claim PIP that I know.
  • script2019script2019 Member Posts: 8 Listener
    Like i said, the advice now, is to pay £8, and have the recording converted to CD or £12 for USB and have the representative send it in, with all my doctors letters letters, hospital letters and results and assessments with a written request for the CD, USB be heard and duly noted prior to the Tribunal itself... If they dont, its at their peril because my advisor will be listening and quoting from the recording, therefore if they brush the evidence off, they'l have no arguement when push comes to shove so its in everybodies interest to hear what was recorded "live"... Getting a transcription done isnt easy, it has to be laid out formally and in-line with "protocol" whatever that means and that can be expensive, there is no legal aid for this type of thing, so the conversion, is the cheapest and best option... Thanks 
  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Member Posts: 5,257 Disability Gamechanger
    I see one problem with this. As you seem to possess the only copy of the recording, because the DWP mislaid their copy, there is no way to tell whether your recording has been tampered with. This is the reason that two identical copies are made at the same time.
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    @CockneyRebel - I agree with you - in this case DWP, having lost their copy, will have to accept the claimant's recording as they are not in a position to dispute it.

    Unfortunately the whole scheme is flawed from the start.DWP guidelines don't require there to be an "original" recording - sealed & secured for evidential purposes - and a 'working copy' from which you can duplicate as many copies as you wish. 

    I have a recording of my assessment - if I choose to edit it then no-one will know, since there's nothing to compare it with other than the other copy, which Capita or the DWP have the same opportunity to tamper with as I do. 



  • twonkertwonker Posts: 617 Member
    All of this sounds fine, but surely you are not expecting the Tribunal to sit through an hour of recording before the case is heard?
    Think about what the impact would be on the waiting times for others.
  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Member Posts: 5,257 Disability Gamechanger
    The tribunal are only interested in finding the truth about how your conditions affect the things you can and cannot do. They are not interested in whether lies have been told by the assessor. The only way to win at a tribunal is to show that you meet the criteria for an award. Anything else should be addressed as a separate complaint to the AP.
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • script2019script2019 Member Posts: 8 Listener
    If you saw my medical history, if you saw the stack of evidence, the 15 years of test results, the x rays, the expert opinions, and listened to the recording and see whats written on the forms, you'd see that should be enough, then if you was to compare it to what their "assessor" has written, as an "occupational therapist" not a doctor, not a rhumatologist, endocrinologist, you would see the untruths, he has taken a few words from a full sentence, he has not written or represented what was said truthfully, its easy to generalise but knowing the facts helps, why some people comment i will never know, lol, my advisor is a solicitor, a REAL SOLICITOR, someone who has been doing this for many years... So if he suggests getting it transcripted then i guess thats sound advice! If he also suggests sending the recording to show the level of untruths within the assessment form and the EVIDENCE bundle produced, inc Scan results from this year along with a full report on how it affects my day 2 day then im going with the advisor, you seem to have missed the point, the recording is there to proove what was said, for them to LOSE their copy is very suspect as the "mandatory consideration" was supposed to be for the purpose of comparing what was written to what was said to reveal the inaccuracies... This is the only way to get to the truth of which you speak...
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    If you saw my medical history, if you saw the stack of evidence, the 15 years of test results, the x rays, the expert opinions.
    Sometimes with evidence, less is very often more. Sending in mountains of evidence doesn't always help.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • script2019script2019 Member Posts: 8 Listener
    I see one problem with this. As you seem to possess the only copy of the recording, because the DWP mislaid their copy, there is no way to tell whether your recording has been tampered with. This is the reason that two identical copies are made at the same time.

    *Never heard anything so stupid in my life, as if it would be tampered with, its concrete! 2 copies were made on the day, their copy left the room the same time as mine did!!!
    twonker said:
    All of this sounds fine, but surely you are not expecting the Tribunal to sit through an hour of recording before the case is heard?
    Think about what the impact would be on the waiting times for others.

    *I couldnt care less about waiting times for others, this thread is about transcriptions, theres a clue in the header! If it takes all day it takes all day, this guy was representing the truth, id be prepared to argue it out all day if thats what it takes! Stupid comment! 😂

  • script2019script2019 Member Posts: 8 Listener
    * mis-representing
  • twonkertwonker Posts: 617 Member
    I see one problem with this. As you seem to possess the only copy of the recording, because the DWP mislaid their copy, there is no way to tell whether your recording has been tampered with. This is the reason that two identical copies are made at the same time.

    *Never heard anything so stupid in my life, as if it would be tampered with, its concrete! 2 copies were made on the day, their copy left the room the same time as mine did!!!
    twonker said:
    All of this sounds fine, but surely you are not expecting the Tribunal to sit through an hour of recording before the case is heard?
    Think about what the impact would be on the waiting times for others.

    *I couldnt care less about waiting times for others, this thread is about transcriptions, theres a clue in the header! If it takes all day it takes all day, this guy was representing the truth, id be prepared to argue it out all day if thats what it takes! Stupid comment! 😂

    Not really the right attitude towards the many disabled claimants that want to have their Tribunal hearing as early as possible.
    You have been advised in that any argument you have as regards the quality of the assessor's report should be addressed with the assessing company concerned. The only thing that a Tribunal are interested in is do you or do you not fit enough descriptors and which ones they are to give you an award. To put it bluntly they would not be interested if the report suggested that you engage in all manner of extreme sports on a daily/weekly basis.
  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    edited April 2019
    @script2019 I think you will have trouble with that one recording. It's a case of proving it?

    The only way to prove the recording is genuine and hasn't been messed with or forged in any way, is by using these recorders for which I have obtained for any assessments I needed recording.  Yes i still have them and worth there weight in gold as I've used them for other situations in the past.

    These below are what the Police and other official body use as they can and date and time stamp all the way through the recording and are tamper proof, unlike ones bought from Argos etc.

    If you had used one of these you would have a better case you could have proved to the DWP. 



    I used to do transcribing many years ago. But only with verified recordings.
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • script2019script2019 Member Posts: 8 Listener
    You do know they are illegal to own right? They are only for official media use! Im wondering if people actually listen, and know what they are talking about on here!

    If the x2 recorders i attended with, with x2 cassettes werent within the rules, they'd of not allowed me to record the assessment!
  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    edited April 2019
    Oh'dear me another thinks they are right?
    They allowed you to record with them? Yes, but now all you have is a tape with which anyone could be talking. No proof really.. 

    Good luck with your claim🤔
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • script2019script2019 Member Posts: 8 Listener
    See another twonk, some people, lol, i will beat it on medical evidence alone, i dont even need the recording, so i know im right, if you know so much, tell me the basis of my claim?

    My post is about transcription, my SOLICITOR suggested it so it could be placed with the piles of doctors, hospital, specialist letters and reports, its a formality, but having what was recorded transcribed so it could be compared to what was written would put it beyond any doubt!

    However, i havent been given a date yet, i havent even sent in the piles of back dated evidence, 2005 -  2019, the second option was to buy a converter, tape to cd or usb!

    So before transcription goes ahead, a site has been found which converts cassette audio to disc or stick, so, they will be gifted the opportunity to listen to the facts again, now ask yourselves, what will a judge, a doctor and a solicitor make of it if the DWP choose to "overlook" concrete evidence that prooves what is written is a far-cry from what was actually said...

    I cant lose, im not asking about winning or losing am i? All i wanted to know was how do i get whats on the cassette written out word 4 word, and all i get are a load of ****, unhelpful responses, with the exception of Cristolbal they have grasped it, in my 2nd comment, i said "i will be getting the cassette moved to cd" but still the "tin foil hat brigade" jump in with their what ifs... 

    I'LL COME BACK IN 3 maybe 6 MTHS, ONCE ITS DEALT WITH AND TELL YOU HOW IT WENT, FOR NOW I BID YOU ALL FAREWELL, I'M PAYING FOR THE "CONVERSION" TODAY, £8.00 THEN ITS BEING SENT IN ALONG WITH THE REST OF MY "BUNDLE" (HAND PICKED BY A SOLICITOR)...

    I'LL BE SURPRISED IF THEY WISH TO PURSUE ONCE THEY SEE WHATS HAPPENED!!! 100 PERCENT!!!

    HAPPY EASTER...
  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    edited April 2019
    Good luck as I've said and happy EASTER as well, but  you will have a battle on your hands.

    Me Ive never had no problems with all my evidence and never had to have a ftf. Take care🤣 btw it is an ongoing award for PIP.


    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • twonkertwonker Posts: 617 Member
    edited April 2019
    You do know they are illegal to own right? They are only for official media use! Im wondering if people actually listen, and know what they are talking about on here!

    If the x2 recorders i attended with, with x2 cassettes werent within the rules, they'd of not allowed me to record the assessment!


    What is illegal? If you are saying that the Neal equipment is illegal in the hands of the general public then you are completely mistaken.

    For a dual recording they are the best on the market.

    What you used is fine, the only problem you have is that you now hold the only copy! You could tamper with it and then tell the DWP/Tribunal that you didn't. That is why you need two copies one proves the other. If one of the copies is lost then you have no verifiable evidence that the copy you have is the genuine article in all of what was recorded.
    Transcribing or downloading to a CD or stick is also pointless. How can you prove that the copy, the transcription  contains EVERYTHING that was said. On to a loser I am afraid. 

    You are best fighting the decision based entirely on the evidence of what the impact is and forget what the assessor has said.
  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Member Posts: 5,257 Disability Gamechanger
    I have asked that this thread be closed, sometimes the advice given in good faith hits a brick wall
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • zakbloodzakblood Member Posts: 419 Pioneering
    i had the same thing happen in 2012, won the appeal over a few simple lies,

    time of interview and time it took, i was out of the car park being driven home, as car park gave time of entry and exit, so number one

    second lie, i refused to do any exams, and then the examiner made up some numbers on how many degree's i could move parts of my body, and then wrote on the form that i refused, so just must have made them up, as no one can say for sure you have 17 degree's of flexion by looks alone, which got upheld at tribunal same as time and date, so most of the information was put down after the event, so no live so could have been from memory or just from there head or recollection. 

    and finally, the recording didn't match the written notes, so always always get a recorded assessment, to catch out one sided interviews and one sided written verbal communicated notes, done and filled in after the event when the memory of what happened is less, so not professional at all and not the first or last time it will be mentioned i'm sure, but as there not part of the Government, as it's a 3rd party who has took on the assessments, the DWP cares less either, as while ATOW was removed, seems another set of idiots and lairs took there place 

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