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Re: benefit sanctions. What parts of the benefits do you loose under a DWP sanction.

Hi all, I'm on a fact finding mission regarding benefit sanctions.

I wonder if anyone could try and answer this in relation to “benefit sanctions”

If a claimant gets a sanction whether it be for say 3 to 6 months, is it for the main part of the said benefit, ie £73.10. JSA, ESA, UC.

Or is all these sanctioned as well, ie housing, SDP, enhanced premium.

Im trying to get the right answers to this .

Looking forward to anyone’s views to this. . 

Thanks in advance.

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I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

You can see the video here.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Hello my friend,

    If a person is sanctioned and they're claiming ESA/JSA or Income Support then it comes off the whole of the benefit claim, not part of it.

    Housing benefit isn't part of any of those benefits so that's not affected.

    If someone claims UC because it's multiple benefits in one payment then the sanction reduces the whole award, so could affect the amount of housing element they receive for that month.

    Hope this helps. Take care :)
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    edited May 2019
    Thanks my friend ❤️ for a timely reply @poppy123456 this is helpful, so what your saying is people on IS,JSA and ESA will loose the whole £73.10 benefit! Which is what I am thinking was the case.

    So in effect the added premiums like SDP or the enhanced premium under ESA could be lost too? 


    UC. Yes the killer benefit. I find that would be the devil in the detail situation.
    So in real terms have a sanction under UC ultimately can decent you straight down a hill into a bottomless pit.  

    Poppy I always thought a sanction was only ever made on the £73.10 and not on housing or the premiums.
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You're welcome!

    The sanction is given on the whole benefit but of course it will depend on how much the sanction is. For ESA those in the Support Group can't be sanctioned. Only those in the WRAG can be sanctioned. If you're sanctioned and you're claiming the legacy benefits then it won't affect your housing benefit because this isn't part of ESA/JSA or Income Support. Housing benefit is claimed from a local council not DWP.

    Yes indeed, sanctions on UC are not good!
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    @poppy123456 my friend I agree with you 100% here regarding the ESA SG. I agree the housing element is also paid differently, ie council of LA.

    I know the WRAG is sanctionable, as is UC.

    What puzzles me Poppy is what the bloody hell do people do, this situation is so wrong on many counts.
     
    Think I will keep taking the pills methinks. 😂
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    @Government_needs_reform i have no idea what people do to be honest. UC sanctions are even worse than the legacy benefits.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    @poppy123456 I know it's shocking how this is allowed to continue with them.

    Also poppy more bad news regarding the DWP they are going ahead with one assessment for ESA,UC PIP.

    Just updated poppy. I can't believe what the DWP are doing.
    Read the full story and link in my signature below on how the DWP are following this route
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I have no idea how that could possibly work because as they stated in that report "they are 2 completely different benefits" --- help us, if this does happen....
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    I have no idea how that could possibly work because as they stated in that report "they are 2 completely different benefits" --- help us, if this does happen....
    @poppy123456 it's the DWP where talking about here, they will try and make it work because they want to cause more heartache for us.
     
    As we both know. I wrote this a while ago poppy.

    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 7,943

    Scope community team

    edited May 2019
    Hi @Government_needs_reform, on UC sanctions are 100% of the 'standard allowance' but this amount is taken from the total UC entitlement not a particular element and doesn't take into account having to make repayments for advances or any arrears etc. 

    Did you see the news yesterday that they are ending all sanctions that last longer than 6 months? Previously they could last to up to 3 years!
    To help make ends meet during that time, UC recipients can apply for a 'Hardship Payment' which is a loan that they then pay back from their future UC payments. :(
    Senior Community Partner
    Scope

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  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    edited May 2019
    Hi @Government_needs_reform, on UC sanctions are 100% of the 'standard allowance' but this amount is taken from the total UC entitlement not a particular element and doesn't take into account having to make repayments for advances or any arrears etc.
    Did you see the news yesterday that they are ending all sanctions that last longer than 6 months? Previously they could last to up to 3 years!
    To help make ends meet during that time, UC recipients can apply for a 'Hardship Payment' which is a loan that they then pay back from their future UC payments. :(

    @Adrian_Scope Thanks for the extra info regarding sanctions.

    It makes sense in what your saying, as I was on a fact finding mission to understand how the sanctions work.

    Yes I did see what A Rudd has stated and really it's still not good enough, she said it's not coming in till the end of the year? they should scrap them altogether.

    Adrian I have been toying when the Managed Migration starts I'm not gonna claim UC as you may know they are gonna do ONE assessment for UC/PIP.

    I'm on PIP ongoing and don't want to jeopardise it by having this ONE assessment.

    Read about Adrian in my signature below and tell me what you think of the DWP's plans for this one assessment.
    ⬇️
    I created one of the campaign election videos for Labour, and Jeremy Corbyn,
    This is a new version of Emeli Sande, Hope "You Are Not Alone
    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

    You can see the video here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P5o8hRHh9IY


  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger

    Thanks for explaining that. I knew the sanction was taken from the total entitlement but just didn't explain it properly.

    I didn't see the news yesterday but blimey i didn't know a sanction could have lasted 3 years! 6 months is better but still totally disgusting.

    Hmm, yes the hardship payments on top of the sanction, they just love to push the claimant even further into debt and hardship. :(
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
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