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Housing benefits stopping when I got PIP

ste1965ste1965 Member Posts: 31 Connected
edited July 2019 in PIP, DLA and AA
Hi im new to this site and was wondering if something ive been told is correct.
I was awarded PIP standard care and standard mobility i was on housing benefit a few months ago but that stop when one off my daughters started work is it true that now i get PIP both my daughters are no longer classed as non dependants.
If its correct that i can reclaim housing benefit and get the last 3 months off any rent my daughter has paid from when my PIP started refunded, im new to PIP and not really sure what help i can claim,
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi,

    What other benefits do you claim and do you live with a partner that works or do you work yourself?

    Your daughter starting work would not be the reason why your housing benefit stopped. It must have been another reason. Claiming PIP will mean you're no affected by any non dependent deductions.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • Hart86Hart86 Member Posts: 394 Pioneering
    I assume you mean your housing benefit stopped because the non dependent deductions were more than your housing benefit which cancelled it? 
    If so, then you are right, you won’t have any non dependant deductions on your housing benefit now you’re getting pip.
  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 7,924

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    edited July 2019
    Hello @ste1965 and welcome to the community.

    The problem here is that as you’re not currently in receipt of housing benefit, they may not let you re-claim it, even if it was closed in error. This would mean you’d have to claim Universal Credit for help with housing costs. 

    Are you currently in receipt of any other benefits? 
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  • ste1965ste1965 Member Posts: 31 Connected
    Hello everyone thanks for replying, i used to get housing benefit i dont work im a carer myself and get income support, i was awarded PIP 3 months ago  before my daughter started work i was getting housing benefit but her income stopped it and she has been living with me and paying the rent which makes me feel bad for her.
    I didnt know if i could apply and get housing benefit back dated from the time i was awarded PIP  as from the date i was awarded PIP she will no longer be classed as a non dependant  and this is a very recent PIP award so ive not sorted anything as of yet.
    I am single and my  2 daughters live at home with me but my other daughter is disabled and claims disability benefits.
    My daughter starting work is the reason my housing benefit stopped as she was earning to much but she has been very supportive and paid the rent on my house.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I'm assuming that your housing benefit stopped before you were awarded PIP is that correct?

    If so then i'm afraid you won't be able to start a new claim for housing benefit because all areas are now a full universal credit area and you'll need to start a claim for this to receive any help with your rent.

    If you claim Universal Credit then your Income Support will stop and be transferred across to UC. Any tax credits you maybe receiving will also stop and transfer across to UC.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • ste1965ste1965 Member Posts: 31 Connected
    yes thats correct poppy it stopped July 2018 does that mean even though my daughters are no long non dependants it will make no difference for any claim for housing help.
    And does that mean as soon as i apply for housing benefit and income support disability premium all my money will stop and i will be no better off, sorry im just a little confused.

  • Hart86Hart86 Member Posts: 394 Pioneering
    If you try and apply for housing benefit they will tell you that you now have to make a claim for Universal Credit. 
    I don’t know how much you’re getting on Income Support to advise if you’d be better or worse off but your daughter working would make zero difference to your UC whereas it did on Housing Benefit.

    When you apply for UC all of your other benefits will stop (did you say you get carer allowance? This will continue but is deducted from UC). And your first payment from UC will be a month and seven days after you apply.

    The most accurate way to calculate what you’d get on UC is with a manual calculation, a lot of the benefit calculators online aren’t great with it yet. This would help you decide whether you’d be better off on UC ornjust staying as you are ❤️
  • ste1965ste1965 Member Posts: 31 Connected
    Ive tried the benefit calculators but they cant be right they keep telling me even though i get carers allowance and income support plus PIP and have no non dependents if i claim UC i will be £80 worse of a week and would have to pay full rent and council tax :(:( .
    Can someone please advise me where to go and get this sorted?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    A benefits calculator only works if you put in all the correct information.

    If you claim PIP daily living there is no non dependent deductions for the housing element of UC. Council tax reduction isn't part of UC and needs to be claimed separately.

    How much housing element you'll receive will depend on how many bedrooms you're entitled to and the local housing allowance rate for your area.

    For face to face advice this link will tell you what's available in your area. https://advicelocal.uk/

    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • ste1965ste1965 Member Posts: 31 Connected
    Thank you so much poppy ive gone on another calculator on the link you shared with me and its saying this,
    (The information you have entered indicates that you are not eligible to apply for Universal Credit)
    Do you think that could be correct?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    edited July 2019
    No that can't be correct. The only thing that would stop you from claiming UC is if you are claiming the severe disability premium in with your Income Support. As you live with your adult daughters then you won't be eligible to claim this unless all those adults also claimed a qualifying benefit such as PIP daily living or DLA mid/high rate care.

    If they don't then you put your details into the benefit calculator incorrectly. A benefit calculator is only correct if you put all your details into it correctly.

    The only disability premium that you're most likely receiving is the one that's £34.35 per week and this one doesn't exclude you from claiming UC.

    Severe disability premium is £65.85 per week and it's this one that excludes you from claiming UC.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • ste1965ste1965 Member Posts: 31 Connected
    See this is where im so lost poppy yes both my daughters get PIP enhanced rate for care so does this make a difference as to why i cant claim UC and if so what do i do? 
                                                                         Thank you
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    In a comment above you said this... "I am single and my  2 daughters live at home with me but my other daughter is disabled and claims disability benefits" but now you say both of them claim PIP Enhanced daily living, is that correct?

    If it is then please check your Income Support amount and see if it includes the £65.85 per week SDP. If it doesn't then you need to claim this first. By claiming this first you'll be able to claim housing benefit by contacting your local council to fill out the housing benefit form, tell them you claim the SDP and can't claim UC. It can be backdated for 3 months.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • ste1965ste1965 Member Posts: 31 Connected
    Thank you poppy yes in sorry i said about the one daughter because she is the one not working and i claim carers for but my other daughter works and gets PIP too.
    I will look into what you have told me asap and im sorry my posts have been a bit confusing and i really appreciate your help.
  • pcoventrypcoventry Member Posts: 149 Pioneering
    I think it stopped for the reasons stated - I am told on a near daily basis PIP is not relevant to UC and the elements that go in it so getting PIP won't be the reason that's for sure. - I've actually got £55 a month more as a result of getting PIP. 
  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 7,924

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    Hello @ste1965, I was just wondering if you've managed to resolve this at all?
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  • ste1965ste1965 Member Posts: 31 Connected
    No not yet Adrian but i did find this on the calculator site it says Backdating Rules (England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland)
    Housing Benefit can be backdated for up to one month if you would have been entitled to it earlier. You have to show a good reason for not claiming sooner. Request this when claiming. If you or your partner are at least Pension Credit age, and you are not getting Income Support or income-based Jobseeker's Allowance, your claim can be backdated for up to three months. It does not matter why your claim is late. Request this when claiming.
    Im 52 and im unsure if its saying i can not claim housing benefit from the time i was awarded PIP and SDP which was around 3 months ago.
    So can i get housing benefit back dated for 3 months i really do find these things hard to understand,
                                                                  Thank you
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    @ste1965 As you're under pension age then it can be backdated for 1 month, with good reason.

    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • ste1965ste1965 Member Posts: 31 Connected
    Hi i asked for my housing benefit to be backdated got a letter yesterday stating i have not shown good reason for my housing benefit to be backdated.
    Not sure what else to do as i had no idea i would get PIP until the decision was through but going by the letter from housing benefit they are saying i should have known and thats why they wont backdate it.
    Any advice about this would be much appreciated, thank you.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I think what they are saying is that your PIP was awarded 3 months ago and you should have claimed housing benefit when your PIP was awarded. In your circumstances the most they will backdate it is 1 month but you have to claim within a certain time and f you're outside that time you have to show good reason. The PIP award was in payment so you knew, which is why they are saying not knowing isn't a good enough reason.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • ste1965ste1965 Member Posts: 31 Connected
    As soon as i got my PIP award i put my claim in for housing benefit as i couldnt claim before as i didnt no i would be awarded PIP.
    So i didnt know PIP was in payment until i got my award letter to say it was so do you think they are saying i should have know it was in payment even though i wasnt being paid until i got my award letter? Im confused poppy

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    What they have told you doesn't make sense because you couldn't claim before you were awarded PIP because you weren't entitled to it.

    If you claimed the housing benefit as soon as you were awarded PIP then it should be paid from the start of your PIP award. If you waited 3 months before claiming then it will only be backdated 1 month.

    I'd advise you to speak to a local advice agency near you.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • ste1965ste1965 Member Posts: 31 Connected
    Thank you poppy i will do but here is what they have written to me,
    The payment of benefit for a period where there is no claim in existence can only be made for a maximum period of one month for Housing Benefit and 6 months for Council Tax Reduction. In order to qualify for backdated benefit, the person affected must demonstrate good cause as to why they could not apply for benefit at the time in question...
    After careful consideration, i am afraid the reasons you have given for not claiming earlier are not sufficient for me to backdate your claim. This is for the following reasons
    You have asked for housing benefit to be backdated to when your Personal Independence Payment award has been backdated to.Our regulations state we can only make a housing payment whilst the PIP is currently in payment and we cannot backdate this decision...
    Just to say i applied for housing benefit a couple off days after i got my award letter so there was noway i could apply any earlier.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    That's a ridiculous reason!! how could you have possibly claimed for housing benefit before your PIP was awarded? Definitely request the Mandatory Reconsideration for this and send you PIP award letter with it and clearly state that it was impossible for you to apply BEFORE you had the decision on the PIP, which is why you applied within days of receiving the decision.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • ste1965ste1965 Member Posts: 31 Connected
    I know poppy talk about they are making me feel stupid, im writing the appeal letter now i think whoever wrote me this letter might be a bit thick lol ( sorry ) and Thank you again for your advice :)
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Yes, i completely agree there. I'm not sure what planet they're living on. Good luck and do let us know the outcome.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • ste1965ste1965 Member Posts: 31 Connected
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    I hope it goes well for you @ste1965!
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  • ste1965ste1965 Member Posts: 31 Connected
    Just an update i sent the email to housing benefit on the 27th August, just rung them to be told they have my email but have not opened it yet so as of yet i have not had a reply :(.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    As this is a Mandatory Reconsideration request then there's no timescales for a decision. Hopefully you won't be waiting much longer.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • ste1965ste1965 Member Posts: 31 Connected
    Well today i got a response from my local housing benefit and again my request has been refused on the basis i should have known i was going to get PIP way back in April before i got my decision letter in July from PIP saying i had been awarded PIP from April.
    I think i should give up because they are just stressing me out, i didnt put my housing benefit request in until i got my decision letter from PIP because i had no idea i had been awarded it, yet they are still saying i should have known by applying for housing benefit on the fact i had applied for PIP back in April. Is this correct? because if i had put an application in for housing benefit back in April i wouldnt have got it as i wasnt getting PIP :(:(
    Im confused and fedup :(.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I have no idea why they are telling you this. You couldn't possibly have applied for housing benefit in April when you didn't have a PIP award at that time. Providing you apply for a benefit within 1 month of the date of a decision being made on another benefit, it's normal procedure to backdate it to the start of the benefit that was just awarded.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • ste1965ste1965 Member Posts: 31 Connected
    I think someone who works there must be having a laugh at my expense im going to CAB as my health cant handle their behaviour. Yes i did poppy its was withing 2 days of the decision letter :(.

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    CAB are very often so busy it can be very difficult to get through to make an appointment. Put your postcode into this link to see what else is available in your area https://advicelocal.uk/

    Let us know how you get on because your local council are totally wrong here.


    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • ste1965ste1965 Member Posts: 31 Connected
    Thank you i will do poppy :)
  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 7,924

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    Hi @ste1965. This sounds so stressful and I'm sorry you're having to fight for them to listen to you. I hope you manage to get an appointment with your local CAB or another advice agency in your area who can support you appealing this. Please let us know how you get on! :)
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  • ste1965ste1965 Member Posts: 31 Connected
    Just an update i got a letter yesterday saying they are going to pay my 1 month off housing benefit but as i explained to them it was my daughter who was owed the money as she paid the rent but they have paid my 4 weeks back dated benefit to my housing who i dont owe any arrears to what a carry on.
    And another issue that has come up is my council tax has been reduce due to council tax benefit but instead of me being allowed to pay it of monthly like i was they are saying i have to pay it off now in one lump sum or they will take me to court and put court costs on top.
    Ive started to think there is someone working for the benefit people who has it in for me.

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    As the housing benefit is in your name it would have been owed to you and not your daughter. If your rent is automatically paid to your landlord and not you then your local council paying them was correct. You now need to ring your landlord and ask for a refund which they will do if your account is in credit.

    I can't advise on the council tax reduction because all local councils have their own criteria but i'm very surprised to know that you have been told you need to pay it as one lump sum, i would definitely be contacting my local MP regarding that. If this is going to cause financial hardship on you then it's wrong for them to make you pay this in one lump sum and threaten you with court action if you don't pay.

    See link for contacting your local MP. https://www.parliament.uk/get-involved/contact-your-mp/

    Don't let them treat you this way because it's wrong.



    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 7,924

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    edited November 2019
    Hi @ste1965. I have to agree with Poppy it seems strange for them to demand the remaining Council Tax payment in one lump sum.

    When I've missed a payment in the past, they've sent a very assertive letter demanding the full payment for the rest of the year in one go, which is always great to receive! :cold_sweat: But they've always been happy to set up the monthly payments again when I call. If you've tried speaking with them and they're refusing, then it might be worth you contacting your MP or seeing if there's someone higher up in the Council Tax department you can get in touch with.
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