Food related pip activities
Secondly prepare a meal, I am a through hip leg amputee, I have a prosthesis but don't wear it around the house(but could do), now my problem would be carrying around the kitchen(I use both hands to move with crutches with or without my leg on) now I've read that carrying is not included in this activity(bonkers) yet I have also read that the law says to prepare a meal you would have to carry(pots from cooker to sink and to another surface to serve it) so again would anyone likely know the points outcome from this.
Thanks.
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Hi,Taking nutrition. If you need assistance to be able to cut your food up or supervision while eating then this is considered. Drinking lots of water while you eat isn't considered in this activity.Preparing food. This activity considers a claimant’s ability to prepare and cook a simple meal for one from fresh ingredients. It assesses ability to open packaging, peel and chop, serve food on to a plate and use a microwave oven or cooker hob to cook or heat food. Serving food and carrying pots/pans around the kitchen isn't considered in this activity.
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So the prepare and cook a meal has nothing to do with cooking a meal then, do they use the title just for an example or do they believe it seems a good title?
As ex assessors did you understand it to mean cooking a meal even though getting the pots from sink to cooker to a serving area would mean carrying them.
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ilovecats said:While I understand it seems stupid, and believe me as an assessor I know that cooking involves more than just peeling veg and standing at a hob, this is guidance they have to follow.
This is literally word for word from the official guidance:
‘This activity considers a claimant’s ability to prepare and cook a simple meal for one from fresh ingredients. It assesses ability to open packaging, peel and chop, serve food on to a plate and use a microwave oven or cooker hob to cook or heat food. Serving food means transferring food to a plate or bowl, it does not include presentation.
Carrying items around the kitchen or carrying food to where it will be eaten is not included in this activity.
This activity considers the claimants functional limitations in their ability to prepare food and not the claimant’s lack of skill or opportunity to learn. If an individual cannot cook at all because they have never needed to learn, consider their ability to carry out activities at or above waist height and their cognitive ability to use a stove or microwave if shown how.
Cooking food at waist height does not consider the ability to bend down to access an oven.’
Assuming your physical difficulties are lower limb only without any severe pain condition or mental/cognitive issue then it’s is likely that B would be the most appropriate descriptor.
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ilovecats said:riget said:ilovecats said:While I understand it seems stupid, and believe me as an assessor I know that cooking involves more than just peeling veg and standing at a hob, this is guidance they have to follow.
This is literally word for word from the official guidance:
‘This activity considers a claimant’s ability to prepare and cook a simple meal for one from fresh ingredients. It assesses ability to open packaging, peel and chop, serve food on to a plate and use a microwave oven or cooker hob to cook or heat food. Serving food means transferring food to a plate or bowl, it does not include presentation.
Carrying items around the kitchen or carrying food to where it will be eaten is not included in this activity.
This activity considers the claimants functional limitations in their ability to prepare food and not the claimant’s lack of skill or opportunity to learn. If an individual cannot cook at all because they have never needed to learn, consider their ability to carry out activities at or above waist height and their cognitive ability to use a stove or microwave if shown how.
Cooking food at waist height does not consider the ability to bend down to access an oven.’
Assuming your physical difficulties are lower limb only without any severe pain condition or mental/cognitive issue then it’s is likely that B would be the most appropriate descriptor.
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You're misunderstanding it. This activity is not about carry pans around the kitchen.
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This link is useful for you to have a better understanding of the PIP descriptors and what they mean.
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Thanks poppy but why is the activity called prepare and cook a meal if it's impossible to do it? This is what I'm saying, is it just a made up title or are the rules bent to suit.
Do the assessors not question the activities?
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You really aren't understanding this activity.
This activity considers a claimant’s ability to prepare and cook a simple meal for one from fresh ingredients. It assesses ability to open packaging, peel and chop, serve food on to a plate and use a microwave oven or cooker hob to cook or heat food. Serving food means transferring food to a plate or bowl, it does not include presentation.
Carrying items around the kitchen or carrying food to where it will be eaten is not included in this activity.
You would most likely score 2 points for needing an aid.
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Can you answer my questions please
Is this activity about cooking a meal
Can you cook a meal without carrying anything
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This has previously been answered. This activity is about preparing a meal from fresh ingredients stood or sat in the kitchen, It's about using a cooker or microwave at waist height, using your hands.It doesn't include carrying things around the kitchen or about bending down to use an oven.You will most likely score 2 points for needing to use an aid.0
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Hi @riget. I think we can all agree that it's a poorly worded descriptor that doesn't take into account the actual steps of cooking or preparing a meal. But unfortunately Poppy and ILoveCats' description of the descriptor is correct and what they've explained is all that will (rightly or wrongly) be taken into account by the assessor.
Best of luck with your F2F. Please let us know how you get on. (If you need any help with any other descriptors in the meantime, just shout! )2 -
@riget - most of the descriptors accurately describe the task in hand, although there are some anomalies - 'bathing' doesn't include getting dried being a good one!
It's not all negative though - 'bathing' means being able to access an unadapted bath AND shower, so if you can shower OK but can't use a bath then you will score points of some description...(and vice versa, obviously)0 -
Adrian_Scope said:Hi @riget. I think we can all agree that it's a poorly worded descriptor that doesn't take into account the actual steps of cooking or preparing a meal. But unfortunately Poppy and ILoveCats' description of the descriptor is correct and what they've explained is all that will (rightly or wrongly) be taken into account by the assessor.
Best of luck with your F2F. Please let us know how you get on. (If you need any help with any other descriptors in the meantime, just shout! )
Thanks.
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@riget - the DWP guidance is, I believe, derived from the laws that are in place governing PIP.
You can only apply on the rules that are in place as they are, even if they don't always seem sensible.
This doesn't help you right now but if you believe that the law needs to be changed then maybe you should see your MP as, ultimately, it will be parliament that changes it.1 -
Hello @riget Pleased to meet you. With regard to your questions on cooking and preparing a meal.
I do understand what you mean unfortunately as I know too well. Being doing assessments constantly a long time.
So many of the descriptors are difficult to understand in my opinion to justify the points and are too complex.
I was a Civil Servant for a number of years. If been through that and thought well any thing written down was hard to fathom out.
Had former colleagues trained to avoid saying yes or no and used a lot of confusion. If you ever seen Yes Minster or Yes Prime Minister then you know about the way Government is run.
May think that is a comedy. In reality nearer the truth very close.
Really it is . Trust me. Been in situations like this.
Always got worse with PIP descriptors. Now the age can not believe or understand anything.
One bit of advice I can give you speak to CAB.. I use them all the time.
Two members of staff at CAB had a copy of descriptors and points. For each descriptor.
Helped me fill in the form they filled it in with my self giving statements of my lifestyle. Had written down on a draft answers the day before. Any thing else.
I put down had problems with pots and pans have designed specially bought cookware. Has soft handles and easy to lift off if I need to.
Always use oven gloves. Or double over tea towels to remove lids a knobs can get hot.
I like cooking but with my disability uses . Food processors, Blenders and any kitchen gadgets.
Have fingers missing and toes so dicing, chopping, Plus standing. Have to plan and schedule meals. Just done a batch of veggies sliced food processor. For next time.
So with my self describing need to use tin openers and scissors to open up packets.
Spillages has been known.
I described certain things I do cook Pasta being one. Only got 2 points. On that activity.
Looked at the report right now.
Hope that helps.
Please if any of the community can help with anything please ask.
We are here to be supportive.
Take care.
@thespiceman
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Username_removed said:Carrying is explicitly not included because it is an interim activity and not an activity in itself. You carry from one place to another for a purpose. Your ability to perform the purpose is a more valuable measure of functional ability than anything interim.
Someone with no fingers may be able to carry a bag of sugar, shopping etc. just as effectively as a person with fingers. It literally tells you nothing about functional disability. On the other hand being able to read a use by date on the sugar; being able to pour out an exact amount; being able to stir the sugar...they all give information about functional disability. The person with no fingers would be penalised if the measure was carrying as opposed to fine motor skills.
So why don't they have an activity where carrying is not needed instead of one where it is but they exclude it?
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Hey guys/gals I've just watched EastEnders on catch-up as I missed it yesterday, couldn't believe what I'd seen, Phil Mitchell peeling potatoes in the sink, pretty amazing hey and there's more he only put them in a pan of water and wait for it "carried" it to the hob, obviously never cooked before as who carries things in the kitchen?0
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We all know that part of cooking involves carrying things around the kitchen but this isn't part of the criteria for the PIP descriptors for activity 1.
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Hmmm food for thought, Thanks.0
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Hello @riget You got me thinking so looked through all my old assessment reports do keep many of them.
Got one mentioned I used a slow cooker, pre-diced vegetables and meat.
Still got 2 points.
@ilovecats reminds me of some of the aspects of making a meal and the gadgets, devices available.
Worth having a look on webpages. AMAZON good.
Hope that helps you.
@thespiceman
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