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Rejected for pips. By givingup

givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
Hi all,
Just received my dreaded reply about my pip claim, rejected out of hand, 0 in every section! I am going to appeal through my local citizens advice centre but of course what I do to pay my rent ,bills money for food, who knows, I get esa which has been drastically reduced when my partner came to live with me, 
With my mental health problems which when I went for my assessment have been completely ignored , maybe I should of slit my wrists, sorry but that's now how I feel, would of been the only way to make them understand? But I doubt it! So much for government etc saying there trying to get people to understand mental health!
Anyway, I'll try to keep this appeal thing updated on here to help others if I can. 
Sorry, at the moment I feel so dejected and rejected. Al.

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  • April2018momApril2018mom Posts: 2,869 Member
    Hello @givingup. Welcome to Scope. 

    Oh don’t give up! Ring CAB now and see if they can help you contest the decision. Ask to talk to a benefits advisor. Definitely appeal. Focus on reasons why you need the money not on inaccurate information in the assessment report.

    Give a list of reasons as well to back up each statement. Provide examples of situations or tasks that are hard to do independently too. Prepare for the worst case scenario a tribunal in case. Keep us posted on the outcomes. Unfortunately a bad assessment is really common on here. It does not give you much confidence or hope, does it? You can check this list of descriptors to see where you should have scored points.  

    https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/Global/Migrated_Documents/adviceguide/pip-9-table-of-activities-descriptors-and-points.pdf

    Have you contacted a mental health charity or not? It might be worth asking for a referral to a counsellor or therapist in the area. Regarding your mental health issues, give MIND a call or look online. Also speak to your family doctor and politely request their help. Good luck! 

    https://www.mind.org.uk/
  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    Just got a letter saying I'm not entitled to any pip, scored 0 on everything! Going to appeal through my local citizens advice but what I'll do for money in the meantime is anyone's guess, my esa and housing benefit have been cut to the bone because my partner and carer, who now won't receive careers allowance, moved in with me. At my assessment for pips maybe if I'd slit my wrists it may have helped, but I doubt it?
    So much for government etc saying they understand about people with mental health problems , I've been ill since 19 and am now 55! I feel so dejected and unwanted by society in general. What's the point I wonder!!
  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    Sorry, don't know why my post got repeated. I'm actually waiting to see a counselor and told the pips on the form and at the assessment but they haven't taken it onboard.
  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    I wrote to Frank field M.P. I got a reply a couple of weeks ago. If anyone wants to read it, please let me know and I'll post it on here.
  • Firefly123Firefly123 Member Posts: 525 Pioneering
    Hi I'm so sorry to hear your going through this like so many of us are definitely get expert advice and please contact your local crisis team if you need help x
  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 7,942

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    Hi @givingup, I'm really sorry to hear the outcome of your assessment, but very glad you'll be following through on the appeal.
    Sadly, many of our members are going through similar situations, so please don't hesitate to get in touch if you need any support or advice.
    You can find some advice about appealing the decision here on our website if it's of any use to you.

    If you do feel like you're struggling with thoughts of self-harm or suicide, please give MIND's resources a read and if it escalates, make sure to give Samaritans a call on 116 123 (or email them on [email protected])
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  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    Contacted citizens advice last week and they told me to contact dwp for a copy of what the assessor said , which I have now received , the usual pack of lies , anyway I'm getting a phone call tomorrow for citizens advice and arranging a meeting with them to appeal. I still feel so depressed and worthless.
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @givingup, I'm sorry to hear you feeling like this. How did the call go today?
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  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    I'm going to see citizens advice briefly on Thursday so they can photocopy my copy of the assessor,s report and letter from dwp saying I,d been refused for pips. Hopefully get a full appointment with them a week on Thursday to go through my appeal . 
    Thank you for your interest.
  • Fight4JusticeFight4Justice Member Posts: 63 Courageous
    I know how you feel. I've had my PIP taken away from me twice after having a face-to-face reassessment. I had to go through a Mandatory Reconsideration both times, which were both rejected (obviously). However, I won both times at the tribunal stage. But I needed to wait 5+ months both times to reach the tribunal. As your condition seems like a long-term one, it's worth asking in the forms you send off during the appeal to tribunal stage (assuming you fail at the Mandatory Reconsideration stage, which I'm afraid most do), for a longer PIP award. I did this in my last one, and they increased the length of my award from 2yrs, which it has been both times before, to 5yrs. My next review is due in 2021, at which point I expect I will have to go through the whole process again. Hopefully, we might get a change of Govt soon, one that brings some compassion back into the DWP. Anyway, my advice to you is to not give up and go through the process. You'll get your PIP back at the tribunal if you prepare for it properly, and point out all the things the assessor got wrong. Hopefully you might receive a longer award too.
  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    Thank you Fight4Justice
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @givingup, I really hope the appointment goes well today. :)
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  • dolfrogdolfrog Member Posts: 440 Pioneering
    Hi @givingup
    I have been following your thread, I have been in a very similar position going back to when I first applied for Disability Living Allowance over 10 years ago, the corrupt so called assessors who are not adequately trained or even qualified to understand the complex nature of most disabilities. 
    I hope things improve for you and you get what you need.
  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    Hi Chloe_Scope, we only went today for the advisor to photocopy my paperwork though we did have a chat, but it's done nothing for my health. But we're seeing her again next Thursday or the following Tuesday to do my appeal.
    I know we're not supposed to be political on here but this lot who are in and made all these changes to benefits have no idea what disabled people are being put through! Sorry, but it needs to be said.
  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    Thank you dolfrog. A bit of good news I'm seeing a cognitive behavior therapist next Tuesday so at I can talk to her and maybe get a letter from her about my condition to help with my appeal?
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Ah okay, that makes sense @givingup. :)

    I hope the other appointments go okay!
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  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    Thank you. I'll let everyone know. I feel so angry today
  • Mil_30Mil_30 Member Posts: 19 Connected
    I'm so sorry you going through this. Completely understand you, applied for pip in january, scored 0 points suffer from bad anxiety and depression. Reconsideration was 0 points again. Well on this monday I have tribunal appeal and I'm absolutely petrified of being put down again, of being showed again that mental health dont affect people daily living or mobility. All the lies that pip assesor wrote, that I never even said. Or physical assesment that I never had. I'm petrified but I'm hopefull. I won my esa tribunal couple weeks ago from 6 points to 18. So I will try to show and tell them how my health affects my life, my surviving. I will keep fingers crossed for you xx
  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    Good luck with your with your tribunal appeal. Let everyone know how it goes?
  • Mil_30Mil_30 Member Posts: 19 Connected
    Thank you and I will x
  • Mil_30Mil_30 Member Posts: 19 Connected
    Had my appeal today. So hard, doctor was literally grilling me, I knew it wont go well. Got 0 points on dialy living and 10 points on mobility. Gonna wait for their reasons and my rep will see if we can appeal to higher tribunal. So unfair once again its like being slapped in face told you are okey...
  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    So sorry it didn't go well. We need some legal help to fight the government on this. Question to scope themselves on here, don't you haven't any legal frame in place to stick up for people with disabilities? 
  • Mil_30Mil_30 Member Posts: 19 Connected
    I dont have strenght to fight. Feel literally like ending this survining..
  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    Don't give up please.
  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 7,942

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    Hi @Mil_30. I'm so sorry to hear you've had such a hard time with your PIP appeal. It's good that you have a rep who's exploring all your options and we'll of course do whatever we can to advise you through the process.

    If you feel like you're struggling with your mental health at the moment and are having any sort of suicidal thoughts, it's really important you discuss these with someone qualified and able to help. Samaritans are a great service and you can call them on 116 123 or email them ([email protected]) Mind also have some great resources for how to manage suicidal feelings, but if you think you're in any danger, please call 999 or go straight to your local hospital.
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  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 7,942

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    Hi @givingup,

    We don't currently offer a service as you've described. However, we do know many disabled people are rightly angry at the injustice they experience through the benefits system. Scope guards its independence carefully so we can challenge damaging policy. In recent meetings with government ministers Scope has been vocal about our concerns about unfair and stressful benefit assessments, sanctions and the rollout of Universal Credit. We're calling for radical reform of benefits tests and an end to sanctions, because we believe these things are essential to get equality for disabled people.

    If you'd like to discuss this more, you're welcome to email us at [email protected]
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  • Mil_30Mil_30 Member Posts: 19 Connected
    Hi @Mil_30. I'm so sorry to hear you've had such a hard time with your PIP appeal. It's good that you have a rep who's exploring all your options and we'll of course do whatever we can to advise you through the process.

    If you feel like you're struggling with your mental health at the moment and are having any sort of suicidal thoughts, it's really important you discuss these with someone qualified and able to help. Samaritans are a great service and you can call them on 116 123 or email them ([email protected]) Mind also have some great resources for how to manage suicidal feelings, but if you think you're in any danger, please call 999 or go straight to your local hospital.
    Thank you! I will be okey, I only live cos I have 4 year old son and he needs his mommy. Got all numbers saved as my self harming thoughts are back in my head and didnt done anything since 2012 so trying really hard. Just this appeal was so hard it made me fall apart x
  • dolfrogdolfrog Member Posts: 440 Pioneering
    Mil_30 said:
    Thank you! I will be okey, I only live cos I have 4 year old son and he needs his mommy. Got all numbers saved as my self harming thoughts are back in my head and didnt done anything since 2012 so trying really hard. Just this appeal was so hard it made me fall apart x
    I know how you feel.
    It is only my 3 sons and my wife that keep me going, if they were not here I would be gone.
  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 7,942

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    How are you doing today @Mil_30? Have you heard back from your rep about your options going forward?
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  • Mil_30Mil_30 Member Posts: 19 Connected
    How are you doing today @Mil_30? Have you heard back from your rep about your options going forward?
    Hi, meh still here. No news so far only been a week since my pip appeal. Not sure if I have more energy to fight them anymore. 
  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    Just heard back from dwp, after my first appeal, scored 0 on all points again!! 
    After the half an hour accessment she feels I'm fine despite being ill and on medication since 1984!
    So, I've decided to call it a day in more ways than one, can't say anything political , not that I,m worried as I won't be around to care. Wish everyone else on here all the best and good luck with their situations, at least when I'm gone they won't have to worry about paying me a penny which is what they want. 
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 587 Listener
    @Adrian_Scope @Chloe_Scope Thought I'd bring this to your attention!


  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 7,942

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    edited November 2019
    Hello @givingup. I'm so sorry to read that the first stage of appeal hasn't changed the outcome. Would I be right to assume that this was your mandatory reconsideration? Unfortunately, the large majority of these do not change the decision and need to then be taken to tribunal. Have you been in touch with your CAB representative to discuss your next steps? 
    It's important to note that the large majority (around 75%) of tribunals overturn the original decision made. 

    I'm concerned about the effect this whole process if having on your mental health and that you're saying you "won't be around". As a member of our community you are important to us. If you are having suicidal thoughts it's important you seek help from someone trained to help you. Samaritans are a great service and you can call them on 116 123 or email them ([email protected]). Mind also have some resources for how to manage suicidal feelings, but if you think you're in any danger, please call 999 or go straight to your local hospital. 

    I understand that you might need some further ongoing support that a crisis service can't provide. If this is something you'd be interested in, we would be willing to find you some. Please get in touch with us at [email protected] if you'd like to explore our offer of additional support.
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  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @givingup, I'm so sorry to hear about your appeal and the affect this is having on you mentally. How are you doing today?

    I hope the support Adrian has given above is useful and please do get in touch if there is anything else we can do to support you.
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  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    Not been on here for ages. I cut my leg and put the blood on a letter with a piece of shirt off my back and sent it to dwp saying I wanted to appeal to go to a tribunal.
  • Joanne_ScopeJoanne_Scope Scope helpline, Scope adviser Posts: 190 Pioneering
    Hi @givingup,
    Have you managed to get some help with your appeal?
    Joanne 
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  • TopkittenTopkitten Member Posts: 1,263 Pioneering
    Having actually tried to end things a few times I can assure you that if you think it will make a difference to others then, as a general rule, it won't. Certainly not to the people responsible for benefit claims, not to GP's (except to complicate receiving medication) and often not even to Mental Health. I remember calling the Crisis Line once and stating I felt so bad I was thinking of trying to end my life. The woman replied "Stop being stupid and pull yourself together". All it did was make me want to end things even more.

    I cannot recommend any of the methods available for "so-called" support. Most have failed miserably to help me in the past.

    TK
    "I'm on the wrong side of heaven and the righteous side of hell" - from Wrong side of heaven by Five Finger Death Punch.
  • MillsberryMillsberry Member Posts: 1 Listener
    givingup said:
    Hi all,
    Just received my dreaded reply about my pip claim, rejected out of hand, 0 in every section! I am going to appeal through my local citizens advice centre but of course what I do to pay my rent ,bills money for food, who knows, I get esa which has been drastically reduced when my partner came to live with me, 
    With my mental health problems which when I went for my assessment have been completely ignored , maybe I should of slit my wrists, sorry but that's now how I feel, would of been the only way to make them understand? But I doubt it! So much for government etc saying there trying to get people to understand mental health!
    Anyway, I'll try to keep this appeal thing updated on here to help others if I can. 
    Sorry, at the moment I feel so dejected and rejected. Al.

    @givingup
    @givingup
    hi, please don’t give up. I had my pip rejected and I appealed and went to a tribunal for it. They heard my case and gave me my pip back for a minimum four years with no assessments and they back dated it a few years to when I first got Poorly. After hearing my case they were so confused as to how it was rejected in the first place. Then told me that in future when filling out my pip form on what I can and can’t do I need to put what I’m like on good days and bad days because people with fluctuating Illness’ don’t really have an ‘average’. Please dont slit your wrist or hurt yourself, if you tell them that they’ll lock you up straight away. But In your tribunal you should tell them how being rejected made you feel. You should definitely appeal it. Loads of people were rejected in the last year to cut disability benefits but you should appeal it.
    please don’t give up. 
    Milly x
    p.s. hi everyone this is my first post here, I’m disabled and looking to make friends 
  • CressidaCressida Member Posts: 779 Pioneering
    @Millsberry welcome to the forum. That was a lovely first post. :smile:
  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    I went to citizens advice and she sent off my papers for tribunal, got a letter last week saying I was too late putting my appeal in! Turns out they send these to most people. Just another nasty party,s way of putting us off! Though my advisor said it will be 10 months at least before I get to a tribunal!!! Plenty of time for the nasty party to cut taxes for the rich at our expense!
  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    I see the football association have cottoned on to mental health awareness, good for them. But, when is the nasty government going to get the message?!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Welcome to the community @Millsberry

    I imagine this is still all pretty stressful @givingup. How are you doing at the moment?
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  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    Too stressed out for words. Can't cope much longer.
  • sh33psh34dsh33psh34d Member Posts: 4 Listener
    Just won mine for the 3rd time in 18mnths 
    All you need is to speak to the appeal court 
    If they hear differences from wots written and wot you say on the day .. the will fail you ....myself being housebound i had a hearing over the phone ......they asked me if I had the 50 odd pages off wot they sent me ....I told them I dont need to look at wot I've written as I've only ever put the truth 
    ......this in my opinion helped along with them having  somebody on the board that suffers with fibromyalgia to see if I was also showing positively that I suffer with it ........  truth to the right ppl will get you the outcome   ...please involve your local mp also if in anyway "capita/atos"  try to make you do things and catch you out ....apparently when I had 2 go in an ambulance when I saved my dads life because of a stroke ....CAPITA WROTE   "takes dad out on day trips"  I'm like **** 
    I won all 3 because 100% truth gets 100% results...if you add or change things they see it as liable and refuse 2 consider your answers ......it was a long process but I've picked up alot of info and been able 2 support and help friends in the same situation ......
    Sorry 2 bore you all but I hope I helped 
  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    God, I feel so low, now idiots at TV licensing saying that my girlfriend didn't inform them that she was moving in with me and we did both tell them back in June 2019!!!! They been taking payments from my girlfriends account and we told them, they said they would repay her, but now they want details we don't have!!!
    Her TV licence was thrown away so we don't have the licence number!!!
    Everyone seems to want to kick me when I'm down, I'm getting very very very frustrated and angry and feel I want to strike out at the licensing people and the local Tory club !!!!!!
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I'm sorry you're feeling this way! May i ask why they are asking for TV licence number? There's other ways of proving details. Are they asking for proof of when she moved in with you?
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  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    Only thing we have is her bank statement which we don't want to send them or even a photocopy.
    They know damn well my girlfriends old address has new owners and I've always paid my own licence fee here where we both now live together!
    Too many braindeads in offices these days who don't know their a**e from their elbow!!!!!
    They have everything on computer at the BBC licence office!!!
    All they all care about is money not people!!!
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    That really shouldn't be needed at all. All that's needed is for her to confirm bank details, previous address and proof of where she's living now.
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  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    She told them that in December! 
    She won't let me contact them to give them both barrels.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    My TV licence is all done online and i receive an email with my licence attached. Much easier and a lot less hassle. This way if there's an issue it can be canceled online and a refund will be given.

    If they are asking for bank statements i'm not sure why they are doing that but she may have no option but to send them what they are asking for.
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  • Firefly123Firefly123 Member Posts: 525 Pioneering
    If you have a licence then why would they need anything from her at all. Like poppy I get mine in an email and it covers everyone in my home 
  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    It's before she moved in with me in June. They have been taking money out of her account since then , and we've told them numerous times !! There just robbing b*at**ds!
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Did she not notice before now that they have continued to take the money? She can cancel the direct debit also, which will cancel the licence.
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  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    Sadly, no she didn't. We have a lot of problems with her mentally ill grandson, which distracts her from things.
    And me with my ill health as well doesn't help. They should just refund her the money, instead of paying millions to presenters etc!!
  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    @givingup - If I remember correctly the way TV licensing (with which I don't agree with personally) do refunds is a bit of a fiddle...

    If you use a TV for one day then you need a TVL.

    They do refunds for each used 'quarter' - so if you get rid of the telly the following day then they will only refund you 75%..


  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    edited January 2020
    I see channel 4 are doing a series of programmes regarding mental health , it's on tomorrow evening at 10pm.
    Were scope asked to be involved or not? Just wondered. Thanks.
  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    What do people do for money whilst waiting a year for a pip tribunal?
    Obviously lost my dla and alot of esa and housing benefit when my girlfriend moved in. She also lost carers allowance when I was refused pips, so I'm so much words off!
    I will be struggling to pay rent bills food etc.
    Why should we have to move to a run down area full of undesirables, which will cause my mental health to go even more downhill!
    I know there's foodbanks but they won't solve my problems!
    Don't know how government expects people to cope?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    If your housing benefit is less than the amount of rent that you need to pay then it maybe possible to claim a discretionary housing payment (DHP) for this you will need to speak to your local council and ask them to send you a form. I would advise you to get some help to fill in the form because they are very complex. There's no guarantee that you will receive it and they are only paid for a short period of time and then you need to reapply. See link. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/claiming-discretionary-housing-payments/claiming-discretionary-housing-payments

    Hopefully the hearing date won't be too long.

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  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    My girlfriend reminded me that we'd already tried and it was a waste of time I'm afraid.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I'm sorry to hear that. As i said it's not guaranteed and it does depend on your local council and how much of a shortfall there is with your rent and whether you could afford that rent when you took on the tenancy.
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  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    I took it on with my mother ten years ago, she has sadly since passed away three years ago, 
  • sh33psh34dsh33psh34d Member Posts: 4 Listener
    Sit in local council building 
    Get into a sleeping bag 
    When they ask wot your doing ...say your living there for 3 days because your landlord isn't happy you've not enough 2 pay him ....unless they can find you an answer 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Sit in local council building 
    Get into a sleeping bag 
    When they ask wot your doing ...say your living there for 3 days because your landlord isn't happy you've not enough 2 pay him ....unless they can find you an answer 

    In all honesty, that's really not going to help anyone claim any extra benefits.
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  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    Maybe if we all had a mass sit in? It would!
  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    Emailed channel 4 TV as there having more programmes regarding mental health and also one about the problems with universal credit, which I'll be switched to sometime this year, ( just to cheer me up!). I have also written to my MP again. Trying to raise awareness and hope it'll get the message across to those who CAN do something about it!
  • thespicemanthespiceman Member Posts: 6,408 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 2020
    Hello @givingup   Please you mentioned mental health.

    Please look a the following to help and support you.

    https://www.richmondfellowship.org.uk.

    https://www.mind.org.uk.

    https://www.rethink.org.

    All are mental health charities offer the following services.

    Benefit advice including form filling in speaking for you.  Assessments attend .  Any additional support.  Reviews and signpost to relevant organisations and charities.

    Look at anything else housing, lifestyle and social, welfare and health.

    Might not be in all areas you can self refer or speak to your GP.

    Other relevant support and organisations.

    https://www.salvationarmy.org.uk.

    https://www.redcross.org.uk.

    https://www.moneyadviceservice.org.uk.

    https://www.turn2us.org.uk.

    https://www.trusselltrust.org.

    Hope that helps you.

    Please take care.

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  • LaboradorLaborador Member Posts: 20 Connected
    Hi there @givingup, I am still waiting to hear about my pip application, my previous claim ended and so, like you, my esa reduced too, so I know what you mean about the reduction, it feels truly brutal. I'm busy trying to cope by reminding myself that it could be so much colder, meaning more money for the sodding gas meter. I'm so sorry that you are struggling like this. It struck me that you've had so much good advice on this thread, and I wondered if you had had a look at any of the charitable organisations relating to yourself or your g/f's previous working life? I know there's one for nurses, one for transport workers etc. When things are as they are for the likes of you and I, everything feels grim and seems to take forever.I was in this pickle for over a year whilst I waited for my pip appeal and then was ok for a while, and here I am again. The difference this time, is that I am more prepared and less likely to accept a straight refusal without seeking help. My only problem is that I fell ill, and that's not a crime as far as I know. I know it's difficult, but I think you and the rest of us deserve better, and in order to get it, we have to be as strong as we can and get what support we can. Never be ground down! Never! And do your best to make your days have at least one small positive thing in your day. Good Luck.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    @givingup what makes you think you'll be invited to apply for UC this year?
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  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    Hi poppy, my citizens advice advisors say I'll be moved to it whether I want to be or not!  They reckon it's so the government can save £20 a month by switching me over?!
    Labroador thank you.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Everyone will be switched over eventually but it doesn't mean it will be this year. It could be 3 or 4 years time, if a change of circumstances doesn't prompt a move.

    Not sure where you got that £20 a month saving from. Once people start moving across there's a transitional support protection in place that will make sure we aren't any worse off.

    Believe it or not, not everyone is worse off when they claim UC. IF you're claiming ESA in the support group and you don't claim the SDP then UC LCWRA actually pays more money than ESA Income Related.
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  • thespicemanthespiceman Member Posts: 6,408 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 2020
    Hello @givingup   Please can I suggest and implore that you look at any of the links I provided for you.

    These organisations have in house benefit advisor have floating support and much more as I have stated.

    Used them for all my mental health issues and problems.

    One point you have CAB saying one thing confusing you.

    Add and apply to these any one the first one.  Richmond fellowship.

    Absolutely the best one of the organisations I use to help me.

    Even intervened in constant problems with DWP and benefits.

    Lots of other advice, guidance and certain health, diet, nutritional advice.

    Other one.  If you have skills, talents, abilities always considered looked at to co operate with staff have a say in how the branches and organisations are run.

    Might consider you for employment working for them, some do.  Staff like yourself have mental health issues.

    Also one other final one might look at every thing they usually do. Home housing not happy see how they help you.

    Have disability illness see and sign posting you to relevant support and organisations.

    All these charities do this .

    Mentioned struggling and coloration between mental health and Universal credit .  Will help you with any thing like this or consider other options.

    One other just because have CAB advisors giving you not a lot of reassurance, you have a choice.

    Stay or find other supports lots of the other links have welfare advisors.

    Remember with anything your doing in life if its not working or not fitting seek help and advice else where.

    I have to share this if you do apply to any of the links suggested they will attend any medical, welfare or health professional meeting.

    Another voice in the room and you have to believe me. I had a feisty lady support worker.

    CAB did that misinformation to me and she was there would be not very happy.  Would actually say or even add something has done .

    Jobcentre attended when signing on and other training centres be a supportive, guiding light we all need those.

    If you do wish not  to be walked over and we all been there.

    Same lady in an assessment . Assessor says why do I need a support worker does not look mentally ill to me.

    Nothing like a support worker to say her views .

    Got the required positive outcome, think added report helped. Plus the speaking before the assessment.

    This what they do for you. If you are helping yourself they will help you.

    Use to text me suggesting courses things of interest. Got a lot of qualifications though them.

    RETHINK had a problem with an outdated old fashioned medical professional. Making under current not very pleasant remarks.

    RETHINK stepped in a moment, helped enormously.  Now the end result no problems.

    Just a small taste and glimmer what these charities do.

    Small steps always but you find if contact any of them, a lot of others like yourself.

    Supportive, all there for you .

    As are the other ones. Salvation Army has a lot of services and do help those in a crisis. So does The Red Cross.

    Others are to do with benefits and welfare, worth looking at a food banks.

    I can help there with any thing food Budget cheap eats must add had been there with no money many times.

    Recipes have a lot cost nothing.  On website here right now have to scroll around, on Coffee Lounge.

    Please if you wish to ask any questions, please do.

    Please take care.

    @thespiceman


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  • Joanne_ScopeJoanne_Scope Scope helpline, Scope adviser Posts: 190 Pioneering
    @givingup

    A question was raised in parliament about the managed migration pilot on 27th January. The reply was that so far only 80 people have been "invited" to apply and 13 have actually been moved onto UC!
    I suspect that the pilot will be extended.
    If not, it will be the end of 2020 at the earliest before the full managed migration starts.
    The important thing to remember is that unless you have a change of circumstances that means you have to move to UC, wait for the official "invitation" letter. 
    If you don't then you can be regarded to have naturally migrated and you will not get the transitional protection! 

     
    Joanne 
    Scope
  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    edited January 2020
    Thank you both for your help. I'm waiting for the letter one day for U/C until then I won't be moving over myself!
    Just seen on the news some poor bloke in Nottingham has been found dead by bailiffs at his home , he weighed just over 4 stone!!! A tragedy that so easily could of been avoided!
  • Leighann111Leighann111 Member Posts: 12 Connected
    I’m on UC, and in all honesty I cannot fault it! Yes you have a period of time to wait, however you can get a payment advance to help with daily living. They have always dealt with me in a friendly and professional manner. In fact they have been great (this is just my opinion though) 
  • Joanne_ScopeJoanne_Scope Scope helpline, Scope adviser Posts: 190 Pioneering
    Hi Leighann111,
    thank you so much for your message!
    It's lovely to hear something positive amongst all the negativity. :smile:
    Joanne 
    Scope
  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    edited February 2020
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  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    I fully appreciate your frustration @givingup and we know that not everyone has a positive experience. However, please do remember to be respectful towards all members.

    @Joanne_Scope is a Scope employee and does not work for DWP, she is here to support people.

    Online forums will obviously be full of the negative stories, yet it is only fair to acknowledge positive stories and give a balanced view for people who are going through the process.

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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    UC certainly isn't perfect and there's a lot that could be changed. It doesn't work for everyone but some people are better of on UC than they were on the old benefits. For those in the Support Group for ESA without the SDP added they are better off on UC with LCWRA element added, regardless of there being no disability premiums on UV. The problem with some people is that they forget that the old legacy benefits were weekly, paid fortnightly but UC is paid monthly. If you do the sums correctly, you'll see for yourself that this is actually true. Of course those claiming SDP are unable to claim UC until at least January 2021 so it doesn't affect them.

    The housing element of UC is alot more generous regarding non dependent deductions too compared with housing benefit.
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  • thespicemanthespiceman Member Posts: 6,408 Disability Gamechanger
    Hello @givingup   Please can I ask have you contacted any of the links I have provided for you.

    Many understanding compassionate people all wishing to be helpful and see what they can do for you.

    Just know used them any time having problems.

    Cost nothing to find out.

    In many of my benefit issues and problems.

    Glad there are helping me.

    Hope you look at them.

    @thespiceman
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  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    edited February 2020
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  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    edited February 2020

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  • givingupgivingup Member Posts: 158 Pioneering
    I've been given a warning by moderators on here , as they don't understand people like myself with mental health problems. I'm off! Sorry I'm 55 not a kid! And I don't like being treated like one! Pity you can't moderate your government!!!
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
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