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Worried about not having an advocate during assessment

mark52mark52 Member Posts: 19 Listener
edited November 2019 in PIP, DLA and AA
I am a bit worried my support worker is on holiday and i have my pip assment at my place. She cant be there i am register sevely sighted impaired .i just worried i has i dont have a adecotve to be with me . Also i cant reange the appmiont for another day has i been given a no fault section 21 .that ended on 10th oct .so my appmiont is on the 11th of november .my mum said she come to my assment .but i am worried that not having a adecotve there with me might go against me 

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  • mark52mark52 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    Apparntly my support worker dont company dont have a lincese for supporting me  at my pip assment
  • Joanne_ScopeJoanne_Scope Scope helpline, Scope adviser Posts: 190 Pioneering
    Hi @mark52,

    Not having your advocate there should not count against you. Your mum probably knows you better than anyone else so she is the ideal person to support you.

    Try not to worry about it too much. I know we hear a lot of bad things about these assessments but the majority of the assessors are fine!

    I hope it goes well.
    Joanne 
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  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @mark52 and a warm welcome to the community I imagine this is making it seem more stressful. The assessor will ask you the questions but it's great that your mum can go with you. Have you already cancelled an appointment? You are able to reschedule an appointment once. 

    I hope this helps and please do let us know how you get on. :)
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  • mark52mark52 Member Posts: 19 Listener
     My mum is coming to the assment .i am register sevely sighted impaired and golden har syndrome .alone with health prombelms. ( Angina,high blood kidney problems,also i was given a not fault section 21 from my landord on 9th august .and now he sent me a claims form for fast prossession .but brighton and hove council housing offficer is telling to go to private renting .the council private renting secter is looking for a flat for me i just hope i get a 1 bedroom flat before i get eviction . The stress with the  flat situation is making my health worse .i am worried i be homeless on the street
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    I'm glad your mum is coming to the assessment with you @mark52, this will be a massive help I'm sure. I can imagine this has been so stressful for you! It might be worth getting in touch with Shelter who are able to provide you with some advice that is specific to your situation. Please do let us know how you get on!
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  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @mark52, how are you doing?
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  • mark52mark52 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    Hi  iam ok .i am glad i had my mum with me has i was getting stressed out .my mum when saw me getting stressed said take a deep breaths .the lady from independent .asked me a question twice pur in a different way .i i had about 20 questions .two questions I didn't like her reply to my answer.when i said i use black handle cutlery and not the sliver ones that are the same colour slivrs at both ends.she reply cant you feel the knife end .i said if i do that i would cut myself .the other one was when she asked me to do the exercises i did manage to do all but don't it slowly.the last one was when she asked me to touch my finger and thunb together . which i could not because.i was getting stressed out .to be honest if i get and payments it will help .but i got good news i have a place to move to .its private renting .but the council are paying my first month rent . paying my morving cost . helping me move .all i got to do is sign up to the dispost garntee sheame 
    .also i get take my cat with me 
  • mark52mark52 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    The other reply to the exercise i could not do .she said well you had no problrm picking up your eye drop bottle with your hand .i replyed i could not do the finger to thunb . because i was getting stressed out
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @mark52, I'm glad your mum was there to help you stay calm. I hope it all works out. If you'd like, you can request a copy of the report a week after the assessment, this will give you an indication of the award.

    I hope moving goes well and please do let us know how you get on. :)
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  • mark52mark52 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    Thanks will do
  • mark52mark52 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    Hi my move went well .but i just had a letter from pip that they are not awarding me PIP
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    mark52 said:
    Hi my move went well .but i just had a letter from pip that they are not awarding me PIP
    Was it a transfer from DLA or were you already claiming PIP?

    You now have 1 month from the date of the decision to request the Mandatory Reconsideration (MR) you should put this in writing stating where you think you should have scored those points and your reasons why. Adding a couple of real life examples of what happened the last time you attempted that activity for each descriptor that applies to you.

    Do be aware that most MR decisions remain the same so you'll very likely have to take it to Tribunal.


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  • mark52mark52 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    Yer i will .no  i never applied for DLA
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    A first time PIP claim or a review?
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  • mark52mark52 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    I got turned down two years ago but didn't appeal against it due to illness and forgot about it
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Face to face advice from an agency near you will be very helpful to you, pop your postcode into this link to see what's local to you. https://advicelocal.uk/

    To constantly re-apply if using the same evidence you previously used will very likely see you being constantly refused. Taking it to Tribunal and appearing in person will be your best chance. Good luck.


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  • mark52mark52 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    I going to call up criztern adivce who help me fill out the form when i applied they gave ne a number to call if i get turn down 
  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 7,924

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    Were you able to get in touch with Citizen's advice @mark52? I hope they're able to help with your appeal. 
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  • mark52mark52 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    No not yet i tried calling PIP Place today and get a report on what the assessmenter wrote and ask for a form for a mandatory reconsideration appeal. In the letter they sent me .saying has my white stick has not got a roll ball at the end of it .its not a oreintian aid   
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    The assessment report isn't really needed to request the MR and it can be done without it. You just need to state where you think you should have scored those points and your reasons why. Adding a couple of real life examples of what happened the last time you attempted that activity for each descriptor that applies to you.


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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,936 Disability Gamechanger
    As someone registered SSI you should score a minimum of 10 points on mobility and 8 points on daily living. They’re easy points too. Prepping food; bathing; dressing and engaging. If you’ve literally got zilch then you need face to face advice urgently. 
  • mark52mark52 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    Ok thank  you everyone for your   for your advice   .but still wozld like what the assessmenter put in the report has she said in the letter that i could look straight forward out of  left eye and can turn my head  also i didn't bunp into things .and i walked at a slightly slow pace altered gait unaided did not appear unbalanced  how can they tell how i walk daily based on a 10 foot walk from my front door to my living room which was were the face to face was and she said i was not stressed .the reason i was not stressed and was able to answer her questions fully because my mum was there to support me so i wouldnit get stress out in the face to face interview my mum saw me getting stressed out and said that some deep breaths .so i wuld like to see what the assessmenter but in her report . because i belive she has not put down some stuff i said about the effect of my condition .i down the exercise she asked to do which i  done sittng down .but i could not do the finger to thumb because I was getting stressed out .she replied why couldn't i do that .where i had no problem picking up my angina spray bottle .also when she asked about meds can i open them i said no .my girlfriend opens them .she acted like it was easy to open them. My mum said they are fiddling to open .and i said another reason my girlfriend opens the packet incase i drop my meds the cat could eat them .the decision report thst i had no haert input specialist .but i have angina and high blood pressure which effect my heart i Also have goldenhar syndrome which effect parts of of my body .but goldenhar syndrome was not mentioned in the decision letter 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    It doesn't really matter what was said or wasn't said because you can't prove anything. They DWP and Tribunal won't be interested in any lies/contradictions that may have been told in the report. What matters now is where and why you think you should have scored those points.
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  • mark52mark52 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    Ok thank you i will call CAB today 
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @mark52, I'm so glad that the move went okay! But I'm sorry about PIP, do you use the white stick like a long cane, or is it just to symbolise that you have a visual impairment?

    If it is used as a long cane then it is an orientation aid. However, it isn't best practice to point out mistakes on the MR letter. It is a lot better if you state how you meet the criteria and use real life examples.

    If you need any further information then please do let us know. 
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  • mark52mark52 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    I use it has a long cane because I cant judge depth or disanents has i can only see  stuff clearly thats is about 5ft-10ft pass that things or people are out of focus and to let people know i am blind and i cant see when the sun is bright or a bright light coming from a car or when it rains or when my distance glasses get mist up 
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    This makes sense @mark52, I am the same in terms of my sight. Have you managed to appeal the decision?
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  • mark52mark52 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    I will do sorry i was in hospital due to having discomfort paind and light headed and dizzy and feeling nausea's the way to work on the bus snd got tacken up the hospital for check up has i had angnia attacks in the last 9 months .the hospital doctor has sent a letter to my doctor for an referral to see the cardiologist 
  • mark52mark52 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    I got appointment with CAB on tuTuesd 7th jan to go through on what questions  that i disagree with  and Tuesday afternoon i seeing my doctor for a annual checkup and a check up on my meds 
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Sorry to hear this @mark52! I hope the CAB appointment goes well and please do let us know. :)
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  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @mark52, how are things going? :)
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  • mark52mark52 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    Yer ok  CAB worte a msnmandat reconsideration letter and pointed out  on  the disagreement of  the disesion  and put up the high court case  in 2018 about the mobility of anxiety.so hopefully i will get the desion overturned 
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    I really hope so @mark52
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  • mark52mark52 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    Hi Chloe  updated on my mandatory reconsideration i got  some good news i got awarded PIP  i checked my bank account  this morning .i got £1980 from DWP PIP backed dated from srpSeptem2nd  .so .just waiting for the letter to confirm what  rate they awarded me . glad i got it in the end .
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    So happy to hear this @mark52
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