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PIP cancelled out the blue

Mandy1982Mandy1982 Member Posts: 5 Listener
Hi. I've been on pip for a good number of years and had no issues with it well I went to a tribunal to ask for a new trial. So anyone I've been receiving the money fine but yesterday I got a letter from the rent saying pip had ceased for me. The award had run its course. I didn't know it was coming to an end. I'm utterly heart broken, with all that's going on. It's like being kicked when you down. I phoned the guy up at PIP and he said their was nothing I could do accept to apply again. I know that'll take a long time so is no help right now. I didn't receive correspondence from pip saying my claim was coming to an end. In the past that's how they've operated. Is their anything I can do? I'm still on esa but low rate. What's the best plan of action? I think it's very callous for them to do this in the current climate. He said its cause the court put the end date on the claim and they couldn't change it. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks. 

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  • JurphJurph Member Posts: 346 Pioneering
    Unfortunately, it's correct although the DWP should have contacted you.

    Us tribunal winners have to make new claims when our awards end, we're not given reviews.
  • Mandy1982Mandy1982 Member Posts: 5 Listener
    Thanks Jurph. So is their no way if keeping the claim going? 
  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 3,719 Disability Gamechanger
    If you are awarded PIP by a tribunal you are asked to re-apply 14 weeks before the award ends, if its awarded by the DWP you get 6 months notice.
    my advice is given freely and is correct to the best of my knowledge.
  • androgynousandrogynous Member Posts: 46 Courageous
    Jurph said:
    Unfortunately, it's correct although the DWP should have contacted you.

    Us tribunal winners have to make new claims when our awards end, we're not given reviews.
    If that is the case, what happens to Tribunal winners when your award ends when you are in your seventies and you are not given reviews?

    As over 70's are supposed to be having a 'light touch' review and you can't claim PIP again at that age, you can no longer reapply? Your PIP will cease? You have a 'review'?

    It's a genuine question and you are supposed to be able to continue on PIP and not have to claim Attendance Allowance as the alternative?

    I've not heard that Tribunal winners are treated any differently when their claim is coming to an end, certainly not that they have to make a new claim.

    How does that affect over 70's?

    Perhaps Mike Hughes could answer my question. Thanks.
  • androgynousandrogynous Member Posts: 46 Courageous
    woodbine said:
    If you are awarded PIP by a tribunal you are asked to re-apply 14 weeks before the award ends, if its awarded by the DWP you get 6 months notice.

    Ditto as above.

    If you are awarded by a tribunal you are asked to re-apply?

    Even with a confimation letter of the length of the award from the DWP.

    Don't tribunals suggest a length but the DWP make the final decision?

    It's not set in stone?
  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 3,719 Disability Gamechanger
    Sorry I perhaps worded it poorly, if awarded by the DWP the review (change of word) will be 6 months before the award ends, if awarded by a tribunal the review will be 14 weeks before the award ends.
    Afaik the DWP will not decide on the length of award made by a tribunal (i stand to be corrected on that one).
    Not all over 65's (not 70's) will be given a light touch review, it depends on the reasons for the award being unlikely to change..ever.
    But in every case the DWP should/will contact you and if they for any reason they don't there's nothing to stop you contacting them.
    HTH
    my advice is given freely and is correct to the best of my knowledge.
  • androgynousandrogynous Member Posts: 46 Courageous
    woodbine said:
    Sorry I perhaps worded it poorly, if awarded by the DWP the review (change of word) will be 6 months before the award ends, if awarded by a tribunal the review will be 14 weeks before the award ends.
    Afaik the DWP will not decide on the length of award made by a tribunal (i stand to be corrected on that one).
    Not all over 65's (not 70's) will be given a light touch review, it depends on the reasons for the award being unlikely to change..ever.
    But in every case the DWP should/will contact you and if they for any reason they don't there's nothing to stop you contacting them.
    HTH
    Thanks.

    A review is very different to re-applying.

    But those in their 70's still have a 'light touch' review? You never stop being 'reviewed' for PIP until you are in a wooden box. Or cardboard, my personal choice.
  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 3,719 Disability Gamechanger
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,930 Disability Gamechanger
    edited May 2020
    As regards the OP this is one of a number of cases I’m aware of where the 14 week reminder didn’t happen. There is an argument that anyone getting an award via an appeal hearing really ought to retain the decision and note down the end date but let’s put that aside. 

    In the first instance, reclaim. It’s the only way to get benefit back into payment right now. 

    Secondly, consider doing a subject access request under the Freedom of Information Act. You’re looking for specific evidence DWP knew the end date but failed to act. 

    Thirdly, to keep this simple, go get face to face advice now re the new claim and the options you have to challenge the failure to notify. The latter are limited but there are options. 
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,930 Disability Gamechanger

    Perhaps Mike Hughes could answer my question. Thanks.
    Please forgive my suspicion but there’s been a history of recent joiners to this site joining to direct an attack on me on behalf of recent leavers so you’ll appreciate I’m somewhat wary of such requests coming out of the blue.
  • androgynousandrogynous Member Posts: 46 Courageous

    Perhaps Mike Hughes could answer my question. Thanks.
    Please forgive my suspicion but there’s been a history of recent joiners to this site joining to direct an attack on me on behalf of recent leavers so you’ll appreciate I’m somewhat wary of such requests coming out of the blue.
    I'm very shocked and saddened by your response.

    I know you are a WRO and would therefore give me a reliable answer to my question.

    What more can i say?


  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,930 Disability Gamechanger

    I'm very shocked and saddened by your response.

    I know you are a WRO and would therefore give me a reliable answer to my question.

    What more can i say?

    I do apologise for shocking or saddening you. Absolutely not my intent. Equally I hope you’ll appreciate my perspective. The experience has been unpleasant and repeated at least three times now. Compounded recently by a second person in a few months taking something I’d said here; misquoting it elsewhere and then coming back to tell me others said I was wrong. 

    That aside I’m also fairly resistant to @ requests. That’s partly because I’m here in a personal capacity and get drawn into too much which feels like a busman’s holiday rather than the somewhat moribund VI forum or the coffee lounge. That’s a sad consequence of very poor quality and often plain wrong advice from others.  Advice which in a UC world could literally cost people thousands of pounds. 

    I’m also fairly cautious because lockdown exacerbates a lot of issues for people and that can manifest itself in some fairly unexpected or unpleasant ways too. 

    All that said, I think the advice you’ve been given this far is fine. There is a difference between renewal, reclaim and review but there’s no issue preventing over 70s with time limited awards from doing whatever needs to be done in their case for their award to persist. It won’t suddenly stop and then prevent a reclaim. 
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