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Applied twice and 0 points

Burt15Burt15 Member Posts: 1 Listener
edited June 2020 in PIP, DLA and AA
Hi I was involved in a serious accident at work 10 years ago I originally applied for DLA and was refused but after tribunal was awarded this up until PIP come in I have applied twice and got 0 points 
I have 48!nuts and bolts in my pelvis holding it together I will need a hip replacement in the future 
I cannot stand or sit for long before I’m in pain, I cannot sleep at night due to the pain, I cannot wash myself from knees downwards cannot put my own shoes and socks on 
I also starting to suffer from anxiety as my stomach has 2 large hernias which have been repaired but popped again through the scar tissues and have been stopped by security guards asking to open my coat as it looks like I have but things in my jacket so now don’t like going out on my own
My consultant who is head of trauma has told me I will never work again and have given PIP this information but to no avail 
I am classed as 55% disabled but don’t know if worth applying again as so much aggro and disappointment 
on my last visit I got feedback saying I was well groomed and tidy my other half would kill me if I didn’t look clean and tidy but how does that stop me getting an award 
advise please 

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  • AilsAils Member Posts: 2,268 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @Burt15 and welcome to the Community.  It's nice to meet you and thanks for sharing with us.  I'm really sorry to hear about all your health issues and your unsuccessful applications for PIP and yes, being clean and tidy should not bear any relevance as to getting an award.  I can appreciate your stress over this and include some information on PIP which Scope has put together which may help you to make a decision about this -

    https://www.scope.org.uk/advice-and-support/personal-independence-payment-pip/

    I hope you find the above helpful and please let us know what you decide with this.  If you have any questions or we can be of any help/support then please just say.  All the best.  :smile:
    Winner of the Scope New Volunteer Award 2019.   :)
  • alieshiaalieshia Member Posts: 73 Courageous
    edited May 2020
    So sorry to hear about your tribunal. Please do not give up! I thoroughly recommend getting professional help to fill the form in if you can.

    The PIP scheme is about how your disability affects you day to day not what your actual disability is. 

    You have to write your answers in such a way that it shows you meet the very specific criteria of each descriptor.

    Have you studied the descriptors and made a personal decision on where you feel you sit with each one?

    You have to be extremely specific in how you answer every question. "I cannot walk for long" is open to interpretation so you need to state I can walk for say 1 minute or 30 minutes whatever is appropriate for you. Mention how far you will get in this distance so if you can walk for 5 minutes but only take 5 steps this is significant because the average person can walk 500m in this time. You need to state any symptoms you would get such as pain, dizziness, or shortness of breath. Are there any safety concerns such as falls? What would happen if you fell? what has happened in the past if you fell? If you walked x distance could you repeat it? Just because you can do it as a one-off doesn't mean you can repeatedly walk 5m/100m without it causing you health issues. 

    The 4 keywords to remember are repeatedly, reliably, safely and timely manner. The latter being there are considered certain time frames for getting the criteria completed. If you can walk 100m but it would take you 30 minutes to do so that is not timely.

    With regard to being tidy and well presented, this should only matter when the opposite is true because it shows signs of mental health problems or neglect. You need to counteract this claim with why you are able to be so. Eg your partner helps you or because you get so much support in regards to a level access shower etc you can manage without these provisions you wouldn't be in the same situation. 

    I hope this helps somewhat? I've tried to give a broad overview of how the PIP application form is assessed. If you have any questions please let me know and I'll try and point you in the right direction. You can tag me with @ followed by my name Alieshia. 


  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 6,539 Disability Gamechanger
    Burt15 said:
    Hi I was involved in a serious accident at work 10 years ago I originally applied for DLA and was refused but after tribunal was awarded this up until PIP come in I have applied twice and got 0 points 
    I have 48!nuts and bolts in my pelvis holding it together I will need a hip replacement in the future 
    I cannot stand or sit for long before I’m in pain, I cannot sleep at night due to the pain, I cannot wash myself from knees downwards cannot put my own shoes and socks on 
    I also starting to suffer from anxiety as my stomach has 2 large hernias which have been repaired but popped again through the scar tissues and have been stopped by security guards asking to open my coat as it looks like I have but things in my jacket so now don’t like going out on my own
    My consultant who is head of trauma has told me I will never work again and have given PIP this information but to no avail 
    I am classed as 55% disabled but don’t know if worth applying again as so much aggro and disappointment 
    on my last visit I got feedback saying I was well groomed and tidy my other half would kill me if I didn’t look clean and tidy but how does that stop me getting an award 
    advise please 
    Some observations. 

    1 - a question. Did you get DLA mobility only or both components?

    2 - being unable to sleep at night will not be relevant. PIP doesn’t distinguish between day and night but most of the descriptors relate to activities normally performed during the day eg cooking, therapy, eating, bathing, dressing, managing money etc. 

    3 - PIP is not compensation for not working. PIP has little relevance as to whether you can work or not. You can claim it in or out of work and starting work is only a relevant change of circumstances if your work tasks suggest you no longer score specific points.

    4 - your 55% relates solely to loss of faculty for IIDB. Again, nothing to do with PIP. However, the specific losses of faculty could relate directly to some PIP activities. You need advice on this although it should be easy to check your percentage breakdown against the PIP descriptors.

    5 - although you’ve applied twice you’ve not said whether you pursued each claim to appeal and if not then why not. Nor have you explained what you did differently on the second claim. If you did pretty much the same you can not unreasonably expect the same outcome. 
  • wilkowilko Member Posts: 2,352 Disability Gamechanger
    Hello, have you read and understand the criteria for claiming pip, reading the descriptors and how your disability, diagnosis or illnesses affect you in your abilities in preforming each of the descriptors is how you are assed and awarded points, taking a self test of the pip descriptors and being honest with yourself about your abilities and capabilities in preforming or attempting the descriptors as should you reapply and answers submitted in your application form will have to be justified at your assessment. 
  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 11,075 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @Burt15 Welcome to the community its great to have you on baord. I wont add to the excellent advice you have already been given I just wanted to welcome you to this very friendly and supportive community
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