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KAKADUKAKADU Member Posts: 5 Listener
Hi

I'm a little bit confused with the info about pip assessments is regua4d to the Governments decion to stop reassessments for some clients.

My current award was due to end August 2021 so I had expected review probably August this year.

However, I'll reach pension age of 66 early July of this year before my current award runs out.

Due to Corona virus I have received a letter from DWP to say that my current award has been extended to May 2023.

Will I still be reassessed after I reach my Pension age under new Government guidelines as there seems to be conflicting information in the WEB

Regards

John

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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,785 Disability Gamechanger
    @KAKADU I am glad you asked the question mine has been awarded and done and from what I gather I won't be reviewed  for ten years now which is ok 

    I wanted to know what age can you claim pip up to is there a certain age when you cant claim it anymore 
  • KAKADUKAKADU Member Posts: 5 Listener
    Hi I don't think you can claim pip after pension age. That's of course if you were not receiving it prior to reaching your pension age. I have read that there maybe ways around this rule. Via an article on line. I think it was Express.co.uk

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    HI,

    PIP doesn't just stop once you reach state pension age, providing you have an award it continues for as long as you remain entitled to it. The 10 year award  will benefit pensioners whose personal circumstances are unlikely to change. If you award is to be extended to the 10 years then you will be contacted. Otherwise your review will take place as normal.



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  • KAKADUKAKADU Member Posts: 5 Listener
    Hi

    Many thanks.
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,785 Disability Gamechanger
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You're both very welcome. :)
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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,785 Disability Gamechanger
    @poppy123456 my award takes me up to pension age  as its just been award again for ten years so I am happy with that 
  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 3,710 Disability Gamechanger
    @lisathomas50 a ten year award is unusual in 2018 83% of all a wards were for 3.5 years or less.
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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,785 Disability Gamechanger
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,785 Disability Gamechanger
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,785 Disability Gamechanger
    @woodbine my award was done in November and ran from 2014 to 2020  so when it came back I didnt understand what on going meant so I phoned them and she said if its necessary I will be reviewed in ten years
  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 3,710 Disability Gamechanger
    As I understand it, it could still be reviewed during that period.
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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,785 Disability Gamechanger
    @woodbine the last time I was reviewed where I was asked questions was the year 1999 the next award I received was 2014 then this one now 2020 I have only ever been awarded only one review it used to say something else I did phone to see what it meant and they said it would run for ten years I think poppy told me the same as it it used to say indefinite  but now it says ongoing 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Indefinite awards were only for DLA. 1999 would have been DLA not PIP. PIP wasn't introduced until April 2013. The longest award for PIP is ongoing, which is 10 years.
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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,785 Disability Gamechanger
    @poppy123456 I just rolled over to pip from dla I just received a letter saying I was being changed to pip which I am now ongoing on pip which is 10 years as I said to @woodbine I rolled from 1999 to 2014 then 2014 to 2020 from 2020 on going  which is ten years 
  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 3,710 Disability Gamechanger
    @lisathomas50 When people were moved from DLA to PIP they were invited to apply for PIP in the normal way, I can absolutely assure you that NO ONE was "rolled over".

    my advice is given freely and is correct to the best of my knowledge.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    woodbine said:
    I can absolutely assure you that NO ONE was "rolled over".


    Indeed, it's wasn't an automatic switch over.
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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,785 Disability Gamechanger
    Well I can assure you I was all i received was a letter and I had a phone call asking if my specialist report still stood I said yes  I was on high rate mobility and care now I am enhanced rate mobility and care unless you class thst as a review 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Paper based assessments are rare but definitely possible and if you had no face to face assessment at the time then it was a paper based assessment you had. This isn't the same as an automatic switch over.
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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,785 Disability Gamechanger
    @poppy123456 I didnt fill anything in I had a letter saying thst I was being changed tobpip two days later I had a phone call I was asked one question and that was all nothing since  just my award if thsts called a paper based then thsts fine 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Very odd,... usually you have a letter inviting you to apply for PIP. Then you ring to start your claim and they send you the forms to fill in an return. Oh well you have your award which is all that matters.
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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,785 Disability Gamechanger
    @poppy123456 sorry I just feel the need to explain I even tried to find the letter 😆 lol but as you said I have my award and you blessed up ehst ongoing means thank you 
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,785 Disability Gamechanger
    @poppy123456 that supised to say cleared up what ongoing means 
  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 3,710 Disability Gamechanger
    I think we need to clear this one up after all there are still many people waiting to be moved from DLA to PIP, BY 2014 dla had gone and pip was in, so if someones dla award ran out in 2014 they would have been invited to apply for pip.
    There is no way anyone moved from dla to pip without having to apply for pip and being assessed.
    I hope that's cleared that one up for everybody?
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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,785 Disability Gamechanger
    @ woodbine I cant help it if I didnt fill a form in I have the letter here somewhere which I will post on here 
  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 3,710 Disability Gamechanger
    There are still many thousands of people on DLA that are still waiting to be moved to PIP  I am just concerned that they get the wrong idea about the process especially those who come here to scope for advice.
    my advice is given freely and is correct to the best of my knowledge.
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,785 Disability Gamechanger
    @woodbine my apologies  your right
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Yes, just as I thought...  :|
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  • Cher_ScopeCher_Scope Posts: 3,311

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    Hi guys,

    Speaking from personal experience, I received DLA pre-2014 and thereafter was sent a letter to re-apply for PIP, complete a claim form and have a face to face assessment.  This is the standard process, as outlined in this Citizens Advice webpage:

    You’ll carry on getting DLA if you were 65 or over on 8 April 2013. For everyone else aged 16 and over, DLA will stop and you’ll need to claim PIP instead - even if you have a ‘lifetime’ or ‘indefinite’ award for DLA. 

    You won’t automatically move over to PIP. You’ll get a letter from the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) asking you to make a new claim.

    Nevertheless, as @poppy123456 said, the important thing here is @lisathomas50 has her rightful award.
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  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 3,710 Disability Gamechanger
    @woodbine my apologies  your right
    for the benefit of others lisa you might want to expand on that ?
    but apology accepted
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  • Cher_ScopeCher_Scope Posts: 3,311

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    @ woodbine I cant help it if I didnt fill a form in I have the letter here somewhere which I will post on here 
    @lisathomas50 There's no need to do that, you have nothing to prove  :)   Please don't worry.
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 18
    I wasn't going to comment any further here but i feel like it's needed. Yet again in a thread there's mis-information given and this shouldn't be allowed to continue. Yes, everyone has their own experiences but when the information given isn't correct the comments should be removed.

    As admin has pointed out several times, if you give advice then please back it with a link. 99% of the time when i give advice, i'll back it up with a link to confirm the advice i've given is correct.

    Things on the community are just not the same, or is it just me? :/
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  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 3,710 Disability Gamechanger
    @poppy123456 it's not just you I know I have felt the same for some time and that others have their concerns, scope need to be more pro-active in removing mis-leading threads, i'm not saying opinions but things that mis-lead and are pointed out as doing so, somebody new to the forum and seeing something presented as fact that is purely opinion might go away with the wrong idea.
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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,917 Disability Gamechanger
    I’m not sure people are aware that the “claim” part of PIP is not the form and there is no obligation to complete the PIP 2 at all. The claim is the initial phone call. You then get a set time to submit supporting evidence and DWP aid that by providing a PIP 2. This is one of the reasons WROs get cross when DWP close down claims for non return of the form. They can’t close the claim down. They can only make a decision you’re not entitled. 

    The reason I say this is two fold. 

    Firstly it is possible that if someone else made the call for @lisathomas50 that she might not have then got a PIP 2. This is because there are a vanishingly small number of cases in which DWP actually get it right; realise that a PIP 2 isn’t needed and either go on the info they already have or have a token assessment to move things forward. This is related to a case having a vulnerability marker on it. 

    Secondly, this process is currently being explored by DWP on a larger scale for the first time as “vulnerability” as a concept and “safe-guarding” appear to be things DWP have finally discovered. 

    Anyone who wants confirmation of the above is welcome to check out https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/16833
  • Cher_ScopeCher_Scope Posts: 3,311

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    @mikehughescq Thank you for that explanation.  It's a complex system to us lay folk and that's helped demystify some aspects of it certainly for me - much appreciated.
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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,785 Disability Gamechanger
    @mikehughescq thank you so much for your comment  you have made me feel so much better  that someone else can explain that it does happen I was at  at a loss and upset thank you so much 
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 873 Pioneering
    Oh right that’s interesting so if you don’t fill out the form it’s ok as you still get your Assessment you usually get a letter or a text to let you know when they’re calling or do they just call out the blue ? Because I would want warning to when there gonna call I have another year or so before my review . 

    So even if you don’t send back your forms in time you still get your assessment? 
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,785 Disability Gamechanger
    @cupcake88 I have never had to fill any forms since 1999 my award gets renewed snd I just get an award notice I have been awarded ongoing now which is ten years  unless of course I die but ism never going to get better 
  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 3,710 Disability Gamechanger
    @lisathomas50 so in your case did someone else make the call?
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  • chiariedschiarieds Member Posts: 7,894 Disability Gamechanger
    Must admit I'm also wondering.....& why show a letter showing an ongoing mobility award from Oct 2014, then just show the corner of a letter dated Nov 2020, but nothing else?
  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 3,710 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 24
    chiarieds said:
    Must admit I'm also wondering.....& why show a letter showing an ongoing mobility award from Oct 2014, then just show the corner of a letter dated Nov 2020, but nothing else?
    Its just so wrong, there are so many good people on here, yet just the odd bad apple is spoiling it for the majority, some days I feel like i'm back in the school playground !
    Scope really need to get a grip and stop allowing just <moderator removed - offensive language - Please be mindful of the words you use - Cher> from stopping this being the forum it so recently was.
    Just of course my humble opinion.
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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,785 Disability Gamechanger
    @woodbine you want the explanation here it is st the age of 14  I was put in care becsuse my mum had mental health problems  there were 6 other girls and 4 boys 

    For two years the others maybe longer we were sexualy abused  locked in  our rooms  ridiculed when we told someone  those of us who could speak wearnt believed  who believes disabled teenagers  we were told every day we were scum should of been aborted  a burden on society 

    One night we were locked as usual in our rooms  that night two lives were were gone couldnt tske sny more but saved the ones that were left 

    To cut it short the truth came out as evidence of abuse was found we all got checked out those of us that could talk gave evidence took two years to get to court the home shut down straight away the people responsible taken away then on remand  two years later sentenced 

    My name was changed along with the others  any benefits or anything like that we never have to fill forms in and we don't have to give previous addresses we are marked as vulnerable people there are lots of prople who don't have to fill in the forms because they are marked as vulnerable 

    Does this now answer your question 
  • chiariedschiarieds Member Posts: 7,894 Disability Gamechanger
    All woodbine asked was did someone else make the call (to trigger your PIP review)? You didn't need to give any other explanation; that's all he asked.
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,785 Disability Gamechanger
    @chiarieds I am being called a liar and everything doesn't matter whst I say this bullying is to force me off the forum becsuse poppy has left I gave the explanation why I don't have to fill in forms now maybe people will stop picking and having a go 
  • chiariedschiarieds Member Posts: 7,894 Disability Gamechanger
    No-one has called you a liar; a simple question was asked, that's all. Knowing others experiences can often help future members. It was just asked if someone made a phone call on your behalf? Such questions are often asked to better help others, as I've said. If you don't want to say if someone else phoned on your behalf, that's fine.
    Just wondering, why do you think Poppy leaving might have anything to do with you? :)
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,785 Disability Gamechanger
    @chiarieds because its been said 
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,785 Disability Gamechanger
    @chiarieds and when its  said it doesn't happen  and misinformation  and get a private message  saying the same 
  • BrettWBrettW Member Posts: 607 Pioneering
    This needs to stop now because this harrassment has gone on on multiple threads now. Its time someone from Scope stepped in and dealt with it! :angry:
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,917 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 24
    I’ve no intention of stepping in here but public complaints about other posts or posters are basically little more than points scoring. If you’ve an issue with something then, frankly, the justifications for saying so out loud are thin indeed. Click on the Flag button and report to Scope. 

    It does need to be observed though that this sort of carry on is exactly why Poppy stepped back; justifies my doing so and beautifully illustrates my point in Coffee Lounge that a benefits forum left to claimants is neither moral nor manageable. 
  • BrettWBrettW Member Posts: 607 Pioneering
    I’ve no intention of stepping in here but public complaints about other posts or posters are basically little more than points scoring. If you’ve an issue with something then, frankly, the justifications for saying so out loud are thin indeed. Click on the Flag button and report to Scope. 
    Already have
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,917 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 24
    Then we don’t need to know anything or discuss it do we unless we all want to indulge in a bit of online bullying!!!
  • BrettWBrettW Member Posts: 607 Pioneering
    Actually Mike we do because remaining silent on situations where wrong doing is going on means that people are indirectly complicit in allowing it to continue.

    I was brought up to speak out against something if a wrong doing was going on.

    How many times have we heard from victims of various situations that people were aware of what was going on and chose to turn 'a blind eye' and that had they not the person would have been helped sooner or had the courage to seek help and deal with it.

    'Turning a blind eye' is rarely referenced in a positive manner

    As to your point of 'points scoring' again an incorrect assumption because if any of the people involved who are currently doing it were on the receiving end of it I would speak up for them as well

    This is a case of personal morality and has nothing to do with gaining a personal advantage. 

    I come on here to chat to people in a similar situation as mine and have a plesant experience and on the whole this is what happens here but there comes a point when people do need to speak up and say enough is enough when the status quo is being disrupted.
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 865 Pioneering
    @lisathomas50 I just want to say im so sorry to read everything you went through in your life. It’s so sad you felt you had to share it. Stay strong and stay safe.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,917 Disability Gamechanger
    If you have flagged/reported then you have done all that needs to be done. The rest is boastful virtue signalling. Scope have explicitly asked in recent days that people do not complain on threads about other members because it creates further work for them and is breach of the terms of the site. 

    Personal morality has nothing to do with it. 
  • BrettWBrettW Member Posts: 607 Pioneering
    well we'll just have to agree to disagree Mike
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    This thread will be closed on the basis of: being derailed from the question posed by the OP, negative targeting of individual members and numerous comments that contravene the supportive principles underlying our online guidelines.  Please be mindful of your words.  
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