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PIP extended even with 4 years left.

worried33worried33 Member Posts: 399 Pioneering
DWP just sent me a letter stating they extended my award even when I still had 4 years left. This seems to indicate they anticipate the assessment problems continuing for several years. I hope this information is useful to others.

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  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 874 Pioneering
    Oh really that’s good I haven’t had any letter from them saying mines as been extended mines got another year and abit left . 
  • OverlyAnxiousOverlyAnxious Member Posts: 1,268 Disability Gamechanger
    I wonder if they've just extended everyone's rather than trying to pick out individuals.  4 years seems a bit much if not.

    I'm still waiting for my extension letter, despite others ending the same month already receiving theirs.
  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 9,324 Disability Gamechanger
    I had mine today too I had award till 2025 and they have extended till 2026 

    Think it a bit early to need to extend that far but not complaining 

    Tho I know it.diesnt mean a lot they can still review before this 
  • Ross_ScopeRoss_Scope Posts: 3,235

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    Thanks for the update @worried33

    That's an interesting speculation (that they're going to extend most people's due to the backlog) but I guess we will see.
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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 6,006 Disability Gamechanger
    Had a glut of them this week. They’re prioritising existing claims but pushing lots if 5 year awards back a year to make it a but easier when they finally come to the last lot of DLA to PIP conversions.
  • MarkN88MarkN88 Member Posts: 835 Pioneering
    janer1967 said:
    I had mine today too I had award till 2025 and they have extended till 2026 

    Think it a bit early to need to extend that far but not complaining 

    Tho I know it.diesnt mean a lot they can still review before this 
    My mum received the letter this morning too. She got given a 5 year award so it’s not due to end until October 2025 and it’s been extended until September 2026. 

    The letter mentions:

    ”We suspended PIP award reviews because of covid”

    and 

    “We have now begun reviewing PIP awards again and we may look at some awards later than we originally planned. To make sure that you still receive your payments we have extended your award”

    I’m guessing they anticipate they might not be able to review on the anticipated review date that was set so they are extending them as a precaution maybe? 
  • worried33worried33 Member Posts: 399 Pioneering
    edited January 23
    My extension (I think) was only a few months, I havent got my original award letter to hand but I think it was around spring 2025, and now its end of september 2025.

    Ok it was a year.  I have a photo of it (as had to make it as proof for disability train ticket), and original award was July 2024 end date.

    I thought my claim started last year but was 2019, lost track of time.
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 874 Pioneering
    Well looks like I have been left out I haven’t received any thing .  I hope they haven’t forgot me . My award is due to end June 2022. 
  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 9,324 Disability Gamechanger
    @cupcake88 dont worry about it still plenty of time yet 
  • woodbinewoodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 3,816 Disability Gamechanger
    @cupcake88 the post seems to be slow atm so might arrive next week?
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  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 874 Pioneering
  • woodbinewoodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 3,816 Disability Gamechanger
    @cupcake88 your welcome
    my advice is given freely and is correct to the best of my knowledge.
  • kami24kami24 Member Posts: 380 Pioneering
    I haven't received mine yet. Been on pip for 3 years award ends May 2022. Mental illness so daily living etc.someone I knew received there's so maybe it's only certain individuals 
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,895 Disability Gamechanger
    @Ross_Scope glad my review was done a year early then 
  • worried33worried33 Member Posts: 399 Pioneering
    cupcake the post is a mess at the moment, and I only got this today, give it at least a few weeks.  Only a week ago I had post from December shoved through my letter box, was a massive backlog.
  • MarkN88MarkN88 Member Posts: 835 Pioneering
    Yeah it may take a while, my mums letter was dated 4th and it’s only arrived today. 
  • worried33worried33 Member Posts: 399 Pioneering
    I just checked mine its dated the 13th January. So post is very slow.
  • joethebearjoethebear Member Posts: 18 Connected
    Got my review form it was dated Jan 1 received it 10th says you've got a month to return but already lost 10days ! Got extension of 2weeks but I'm ready to return it now so will do 
  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 9,324 Disability Gamechanger
    @joethebear good luck with your review 
  • Ross_ScopeRoss_Scope Posts: 3,235

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    Good luck @joethebear
    :) 
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  • joethebearjoethebear Member Posts: 18 Connected
    Thanks for support will keep you posted 
  • woodbinewoodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 3,816 Disability Gamechanger
    @Ross_Scope glad my review was done a year early then 
    why would it be a done year early? a year earlier than what ?
    <confused.com>
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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,895 Disability Gamechanger
    My pip wasn't due to be reviewed  until November 2021 but was done 20th November 2020 and was awarded on going which I have since been told is 10years 
  • woodbinewoodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 3,816 Disability Gamechanger
    @lisathomas50 so are you above SRP age? with "light touch reviews" ?
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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,895 Disability Gamechanger
    @woodbine I am onlyv58  i just got a letter saying my review had taken place and my award for ongoing  first time thry fone it that early the rest is normal 
  • woodbinewoodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 3,816 Disability Gamechanger
    @woodbine I am onlyv58  i just got a letter saying my review had taken place and my award for ongoing  first time thry fone it that early the rest is normal 
    so you didn't't fill any renewal forms in? haven't we been here before?...more than once ?
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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,895 Disability Gamechanger
    No I didnt fill a form in 
  • woodbinewoodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 3,816 Disability Gamechanger
    I should point out for the benefit of others that PIP cannot be renewed without filling in renewal forms and the renewal being assessed by HCP and the DWP.
    Hope that clears that one up once and for all.
    my advice is given freely and is correct to the best of my knowledge.
  • chiariedschiarieds Community Co-Production Group Posts: 8,100 Disability Gamechanger
    That's odd @lisathomas50 - due to the backlogs many current awards have been extended, yet yours was instead done not even 6 months, but 12 months early, & without even having to send a review form off; most odd. The rest of us sorry mortals do indeed have to complete & return a PIP renewal form.
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,895 Disability Gamechanger
    If your claim is marked as vulnerable  and there is no change to report the evidence that has already been submitted is used and an award is made  which has happend phone dwp and ask for yourself  before accusing  and a claim can be reviewed a year before or at any time they want to review 
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 874 Pioneering
    No ones accusing any one of any thing it’s how it is you have to fill out a review form and it’s good that you didn’t have to Lisa but you usually have too and it’s good to treat the review as a new form and give as much info as you can . 
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 6,006 Disability Gamechanger
    woodbine said:
    I should point out for the benefit of others that PIP cannot be renewed without filling in renewal forms and the renewal being assessed by HCP and the DWP.
    Hope that clears that one up once and for all.
    I’m afraid I disagree. Please see my post of the 19th in the thread at https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/377815#Comment_377815
  • woodbinewoodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 3,816 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 23
    I'm afraid that in 99% of cases I would disagree, and we should bear in mind that most of the people who come here for help with PIP renewal would have had a PIP2 to complete, so I stand by my opinion, the interesting things is that the member above last week did suggest that they did complete said form.
    And lets be honest a high % of PIP claimants are vulnerable in some way or the other.
    But i've had my two penneth worth and I'm not getting back into last weeks arguments, life is to bloody short.
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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 6,006 Disability Gamechanger
    woodbine said:
    I should point out for the benefit of others that PIP cannot be renewed without filling in renewal forms and the renewal being assessed by HCP and the DWP.
    Hope that clears that one up once and for all.
    Your assertion was that it “cannot”. My assertion is that not only that it can but that my experience at present is that we’re seeing this weekly in small numbers. As we’re one service in one area it’s not unreasonable to conclude that DWP have increased the proportion of cases in which this happens quite considerably. Having already seen 2 posts on here this month suggesting it’s exactly what happened to them I think we can safely say that this is currently very much a thing and the chances of it happening, whilst currently small, are no longer vanishingly so and are increasing rapidly. 
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 6,006 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 23
    woodbine said:
    I should point out for the benefit of others that PIP cannot be renewed without filling in renewal forms and the renewal being assessed by HCP and the DWP.
    Hope that clears that one up once and for all.
    Your assertion was that it “cannot”. My assertion is that not only that it can but that my experience at present is that we’re seeing this weekly in small numbers. As we’re one service in one area it’s not unreasonable to conclude that DWP have increased the proportion of cases in which this happens quite considerably. Having already seen 2 posts on here this month suggesting it’s exactly what happened to them I think we can safely say that this is currently very much a thing and the chances of it happening, whilst currently small, are no longer vanishingly so and are increasing rapidly. 

    I do agree life is too short.
  • chiariedschiarieds Community Co-Production Group Posts: 8,100 Disability Gamechanger
    Thank you, Mike, as ever giving the benefit of your knowledge. I did look into the link you provided to rightsnet as I'm one of those pedantic people that read info the better to understand. So, from what you've said, & that link, I'm hoping I grasp this. It seems that someone might make a call on another person's behalf, & that in itself is sufficient to start a PIP review, & the person in question wouldn't necessarily get a PIP2 form. Then the DWP may go with info the info they had received some years prior, or just have a token assessment due to a person's 'vulnerability'.
    Trying to remain objective, as I hope you know I do, on the balance of probabilities, would it seem likely that someone would make a call on behalf of someone else, one year before their PIP award was due to end?
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,895 Disability Gamechanger
  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 9,324 Disability Gamechanger
    Think this may be bit out of date ad it is now 6 months before in most cases and has been for a while now 
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 6,006 Disability Gamechanger
    chiarieds said:
    Thank you, Mike, as ever giving the benefit of your knowledge. I did look into the link you provided to rightsnet as I'm one of those pedantic people that read info the better to understand. So, from what you've said, & that link, I'm hoping I grasp this. It seems that someone might make a call on another person's behalf, & that in itself is sufficient to start a PIP review, & the person in question wouldn't necessarily get a PIP2 form. Then the DWP may go with info the info they had received some years prior, or just have a token assessment due to a person's 'vulnerability'.
    Trying to remain objective, as I hope you know I do, on the balance of probabilities, would it seem likely that someone would make a call on behalf of someone else, one year before their PIP award was due to end?
    Yes, you’ve read that entirely correctly and I’m really pleased to know that someone reads links rather than merely accepting them as legit just because someone like me says so. That’s exactly what I’d want to happen.

    Hard to quantify but the evidence so far is that there’s a mix of people who have made their own call (but who are such a mess medically that they may not recall doing so) and those for whom others definitely made the call e.g. adults with LD or very poor mental health. Fair to say this was all exceptional and so rare so as to have never been heard of up until now but when you have it mentioned abd corroborated on a Rightsnet thread that’s usually a good indication in itself that it’s ramping up nationally even if it’s only a discussion between two or three people initially. 

    It does make sense DWP would do this given their staff numbers who are ill, caring, working from home etc. and with the number of outstanding DLA to PIP conversion cases being around the 200,000 mark when the initial plan was that they’d all be cleared by April 2017.
  • SOBSOB Member Posts: 17 Connected
    Why do I have a bad feeling about this extension to PIP, the DWP give in one hand then take it away with the other!
    I've had the same letter as well, but just don't trust the DWP. By now all of the legacy benefits should have switched over to UE!
    What about DLA, my review is long over the due date? I can imagine that there are a lot of worried ill folk out there, trying to hang on to PIP and DLA. So Covid - 19 is a mixed blessing. I'm close to retirement so both benefits will disappear and I will be
    worse off! But I will be lucky to live that long.  
  • leeCalleeCal Member Posts: 3,382 Disability Gamechanger
    @SOB you can still receive PIP after retirement age.
  • BrettWBrettW Member Posts: 607 Pioneering
    I think the last 12 months have been a massive strain on everyone @SOB - us and the DWP.

    I personally think these extentions that the DWP have put into place are a good idea because unltimately they do help protect people on these benefits. We also need to remember that even when this crisis is over that the backlog will simply not just disappear overnight and that it will still need to be worked through, whilst still dealing with new incoming claims.

    I know its hard on everyone being surrounded by all this uncertainty but at least measures haver been put into place to try and ensure everyone still receives the benefits they are entitled to until this entire situation can be resolved.
  • leeCalleeCal Member Posts: 3,382 Disability Gamechanger
    My review was due March 2021, I received an extension in October until October 2021, then I had a review form in the post in December and now I’ve been awarded. So I wouldn’t say my area was particularly behind. 
  • Ptsd4everPtsd4ever Member Posts: 2 Listener
    I hope they haven't forgotten about me x my best friend got her extention letter 
    I didn't 
    Mine is to jan 2023 so i guess reassessment is jan 2022
    Due to my anxiety disorder 
    I have this date written and i keep worrying about it as if its a count down
    I really hope i get this letter to put my mind to ease a bit
    I even talked to my psychologist about it and she said thats my threat system taking over again... 
    Wish me luck 
  • woodbinewoodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 3,816 Disability Gamechanger
    @Ptsd4ever reviews are done 6 months before an award ends not 12 months, unless the award was made by tribunal in which case its 14 weeks.
    my advice is given freely and is correct to the best of my knowledge.
  • Ptsd4everPtsd4ever Member Posts: 2 Listener
    @woodbine thank you so much for addressing my concern
    I haven't known that
    All the articles i have read said they will send forms of reassessment a year before it ends
    Thats reassuring 
    Thanks alot xx
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