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Universal Credit LCWRA - any work allowed at all ?

Cooper1Cooper1 Member Posts: 10 Listener
edited February 1 in Universal Credit
Hello, im new to the site, so i hope im posting this in the right place ?  I wondered if anyone could answer by experience or knowledge what the situation is with doing abit of work under UC if you have been placed in LCWRA ?  I know that under ESApeople are allowed to do permitted work but ive found confliciting information regarding UC.  I have asked via my journal but have not yet received a reply,the helpline also were unable to answer.  I am worried now that my request for info may be construed as saying imfit for work ??  Allim talking about isperhaps a few hours aweek(i dont have anything in mind) because so many jobs are now being based at home.  I was just thinking about keeping my mind active as i live alone and have been isolated for the past year and just want to find out if it is at all possible,
Can anyone help please, or shareany experience.  I just cant seem to find out any answers.    Thank you
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  • Cooper1Cooper1 Member Posts: 10 Listener
    Hello, im new to the site, so i hope im posting this in the right place ?  I wondered if anyone could answer by experience or knowledge what the situation is with doing abit of work under UC if you have been placed in LCWRA ?  I know that under ESApeople are allowed to do permitted work but ive found confliciting information regarding UC.  I have asked via my journal but have not yet received a reply,the helpline also were unable to answer.  I am worried now that my request for info may be construed as saying imfit for work ??  Allim talking about isperhaps a few hours aweek(i dont have anything in mind) because so many jobs are now being based at home.  I was just thinking about keeping my mind active as i live alone and have been isolated for the past year and just want to find out if it is at all possible,
    Can anyone help please, or shareany experience.  I just cant seem to find out any answers.    Thank you
  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 9,159 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi there 

    Yes you can do permitted work and claim UC and LCWRA there is a set allowance which is different if you claim the housing element 

    I'm not 100% sure of what amount you can earn but it us mentioned in other posts on this subject or maybe Google permitted work allowance 

    Other members will know the amounts 
  • chiariedschiarieds Member Posts: 7,968 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @Cooper1 - & welcome to the community. There's a 'Work allowance' with UC, which depends on whether you get any help with your housing, or not. If you get help with your housing costs this is £292 per month; if you don't get help with housing costs this is increased to £512 per month as can be seen here: https://www.gov.uk/universal-credit/how-your-earnings-affect-your-payments
    I hope that helps. :)

  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    @cooper one I am on universal credit and I am allowed to work and I am limited capacity to work  you just have to let them know and they will alter your benefit to what you earn 

    You are allowed to earn so much before it affects your  benefits  this is from my own experience 

    Others will reply 
  • Cooper1Cooper1 Member Posts: 10 Listener
    Thank you somuch,no one seemstoknow this at Universal Credit, iknow they are very busy at the moment.  Is there a limit to hours etc ?  I do get housing element so would have the lowerworkallowance.  
  • chiariedschiarieds Member Posts: 7,968 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi - I replied on your other post, then noticed this one.
    There's a 'Work allowance' with UC, which depends on whether you get any help with your housing, or not. If you get help with your housing costs this is £292 per month; if you don't get help with housing costs this is increased to £512 per month as can be seen here: https://www.gov.uk/universal-credit/how-your-earnings-affect-your-payments

  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    I was working full time and got some help with rent but your better off doing part time I am not sure how much you can earn  before it affects your money  the more you work the less help you get from universal credit 

    My friend works 14hrs and gets most of her universal credit  but its worth giving them a ring to  make sure 
  • Cooper1Cooper1 Member Posts: 10 Listener
    Yes thanks, sorryi wasconfused where to post and then realisedthere were categories to post under.  I couldnt work out if i could delete one and leave the other running.  Thank yousomuch for your help.
  • chiariedschiarieds Member Posts: 7,968 Disability Gamechanger
    You're welcome, & don't worry about 2 posts, it doesn't matter at all. :)
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    @Cooper1 I  have just looked back on my journal now I am not working my rent is 500.00 and uc pay 450.00 

    When I was working full time depending on how many hours I worked  some months they paid 300.00 and amounts between the lowest they paid was150.00 
  • Cooper1Cooper1 Member Posts: 10 Listener
    I did call today and the person on the phone worried me really because he said to me that if i had been assessed as having limited capability to workand thenwantedto work theni could be deemed as beingfit for work.  I had to reiterate thati was just asking a question whether you could tryjust a few hours ? and it would seem by this that you arepermitted to do something, but they are sayingdifferent.. Im very confused

  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    @cooper1 I was allowed to earn 234.00 before it affected  my benefits thats going off my own uc journal 
  • Cooper1Cooper1 Member Posts: 10 Listener
    Thanks so much for that, and you were lcwra ?then,

  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    @cooper1 yes thats correct 
  • Tori_ScopeTori_Scope Posts: 4,033

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    Welcome to the community @Cooper1 :) Don't worry about posting twice. I've merged your threads so that you can see all of the answers in one place. 
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    Welcome to the community @Cooper1

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  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 7,932

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    edited January 28
    Hi @Cooper1, it's great you're looking into any work you may be able to do to keep your mind active and help with isolation and I hope you find something suitable.

    With regards to your question: yes, you can work while on UC LCWRA. On ESA you used to have to ask permission to do 'permitted work' but this isn't the same with UC. It's worth keeping in mind that if the work you do contradicts your reason for claiming LCWRA it can impact you at reassessment.

    When you start work, you would update your UC account online via Homepage > Report a change > Work and earnings. They would then receive any wage details direct from HMRC so you wouldn't need to update them each month. 

    The 'work allowance' mentioned by others is an amount you can earn before deductions to your UC begin. If you claim help with housing costs/rent your work allowance will be £292 per month, if you don't receive any help with housing costs/rent your work allowance will be £512 per month. 

    After this amount they lower your UC by 63p for every £1 that you earn. 

    I hope that helps, but if you have any other questions please don't hesitate to ask. :)
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  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 7,932

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    I was working full time and got some help with rent but your better off doing part time I am not sure how much you can earn  before it affects your money  the more you work the less help you get from universal credit 

    My friend works 14hrs and gets most of her universal credit  but its worth giving them a ring to  make sure 
    This isn't quite accurate. With UC, the more you work the higher your overall income will be, just less will be from UC. Of course there does need to be some consideration for loss of other benefits such as help with prescriptions, council tax support, free school meals etc though. 

    @cooper1 I was allowed to earn 234.00 before it affected  my benefits thats going off my own uc journal 
    The amount you can earn before deductions is currently £292 is you receive help with rent costs and £512 if you don't receive help with rent costs. These amounts are set to change to £293 and £515 in April 2021.
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  • Cooper1Cooper1 Member Posts: 10 Listener
    Thankyou so much for the information, i really appreciate the support. 

  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    @Adrian_Scope can I claim that bit of extra money back then  the information I was giving was off my journal I only stopped working in 2020 

    My journal said I was only allowed to earn 234 .00 
  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 7,932

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    Hi @lisathomas50. If you check your statements it should show how much they allowed you to earn. The comments they make on journal aren't always the most accurate. The deductions are worked out automatically so it's unlikely to have been wrong on your actual statement. 

    From April 2020 the work allowance for someone renting was £292, from April 2019 it was £287 and before this it was £198.
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  • Cooper1Cooper1 Member Posts: 10 Listener
    Hi, sorry to be a pain, thank you for the information,i still havent had any confirmation on line from UChowever they quoted on the helpline from the following gov.co.uk document  So it says you can volunteer, nothing else, Imnot disputing at all what info has been given about work allowance as thats what i had thought but this is what they are quoting from.  Can anyone comment as to why they are stating something different,  

    0. Limited capability for work and work related activity

    If it is decided you have limited capability for work and work related activity (LCWRA) you are not expected to look for work or to prepare for work, though you can volunteer.

    You may be eligible for an additional amount for having LCWRA.

  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 9,159 Disability Gamechanger
    This is just saying you are not expected to look for work in this group 

    What you were asking is about permitted work allowance 
  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 1,188 Pioneering
    Adrian_Scope said: This isn't quite accurate. With UC, the more you work the higher your overall income will be, just less will be from UC. Of course there does need to be some consideration for loss of other benefits such as help with prescriptions, council tax support, free school meals etc though. 
    The amount you can earn before deductions is currently £292 is you receive help with rent costs and £512 if you don't receive help with rent costs. These amounts are set to change to £293 and £515 in April 2021.
    Just wanted to pick up on the important point made by Adrian regarding what are known as ‘passported benefits’. For free prescription, dental treatment etc there is information here https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/help-with-health-costs/help-with-health-costs-for-people-getting-universal-credit/.
    Someone with a LCWRA included in their UC award can earn £935/month before losing free prescriptions etc.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    @Adrian_Scope please don't take this the wrong way if it would be possible to say wether that just concerns England or England and Wales as prescriptions are free to everyone who lives in Wales  
  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 1,188 Pioneering
    @Adrian_Scope please don't take this the wrong way if it would be possible to say wether that just concerns England or England and Wales as prescriptions are free to everyone who lives in Wales  
    Adrian_Scope said: Of course there does need to be some consideration for loss of other benefits such as help with prescriptions, council tax support, free school meals etc though. 
    I can’t see that what Adrian posted is in any way misleading, he merely pointed out that there are some other things that may need to be considered. Even in England there are many working age people who are exempt from prescription charges (for example due to having a particular health condition or being over 60).
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 9,159 Disability Gamechanger
    @lisathomas50 are prescriptions free for everyone in wales ? That's very generous compared to England 
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    @janer1967 yes everyone gets free prescriptions if you live in Wales  that's why I am always asking if posts relate to Wales aswel because we have our own government and have different things compared to England  same as Blue badge parking therexare no fees at all but in England I know of a few car parks that charge for disabled parking even though it is at a lower rate  I am a minority of people who are Welsh on here makes it difficult sometimes 😀 
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    @calcotti I was merely pointing out that all people in wales get free prescriptions so nothing would affect prescriptions 
  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 1,188 Pioneering
    janer1967 said:
    @lisathomas50 are prescriptions free for everyone in wales ? That's very generous compared to England 
    Scotland and Northern Ireland are free too.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    @calcotti England just like makeing money 😆  no offence to England 
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