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Hi, I'm 3090! Had a letter about my PIP tribunal appeal - what does it mean?

3090
3090 Member Posts: 9 Listener
edited January 30 in PIP, DLA, and AA
Gone to tribunal for pip appeal. Received letter today saying there are no grounds to revise decision under appeal. This is from secretary of state supplementary submission to the HMCTS. IT also says they have decided decision under appeal cannot be revised in respect of this evidence. What will that mean for me? Can someone help please 

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  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,432 Disability Gamechanger
    That they (DWP) looked at the decision going to appeal; have decided not to change it and so... your appeal is going ahead
  • Cher_Inactive
    Cher_Inactive Posts: 4,414

    Scope community team

    Welcome @3090 and good luck with your appeal.

    As not to confuse you, I've moved your thread to our PIP, DLA and AA category and amended the title slightly to help others spot it.  Please let us know if you have any other questions and be sure to let us know how you get on.  
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  • 3090
    3090 Member Posts: 9 Listener
    Thank you mikehughescq. It so worrying. Just not knowing. 
  • 3090
    3090 Member Posts: 9 Listener
    It's really stressful getting these letters and not understanding them. 
  • 3090
    3090 Member Posts: 9 Listener
    Has anyone had tribunal success even though the dwp has said not to revise the decision made? 
  • 3090
    3090 Member Posts: 9 Listener
    Has anyone had any success on pip tribunal even though the dwp has said they would be not be revising the decision? 
  • calcotti
    calcotti Member Posts: 2,979 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 30
    76% of PIP tribunal decisions revised the DWP decision based on the last statistics available for January to March 2020. See https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/891348/Tribunal_and_GRC_statistics_Q4_201920_accessible.pdf
    I have known a claimant go from no points to an award of Enhanced Rate both components.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,432 Disability Gamechanger
    Those are not the latest stats available. Around 97% at one point during lockdown 1. Down to around 85% at present. However, the OP is starting multiple threads on the same topic which isn’t especially helpful. I suggest Scope merge them.
  • calcotti
    calcotti Member Posts: 2,979 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 30
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    deleted because duplicate answer when threads were merged
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • 3090
    3090 Member Posts: 9 Listener
    I have fibromyalgia and arthritis seems so unfair
  • calcotti
    calcotti Member Posts: 2,979 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 30
    Those are not the latest stats available. Around 97% at one point during lockdown 1. Down to around 85% at present. However, the OP is starting multiple threads on the same topic which isn’t especially helpful. I suggest Scope merge them.
    Thanks Mike - the ones I linked to were the latest ones i could find on a quick search.

    I wonder whether the increase in percentage of revised awards reflect HMCTS processing appeals they could deal with during lockdown without a hearing and the more difficult ones are still waiting to be addressed.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • Cher_Inactive
    Cher_Inactive Posts: 4,414

    Scope community team

    Hi @3090

    I've merged your threads together to keep all posts relevant to you and your experience in one place.

    I appreciate you feeling it's unfair, it's a difficult process to navigate and many wouldn't have persevered as far as you have.  That shows real determination so try to be proud of yourself :) 
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  • BrettW
    BrettW Member Posts: 607 Pioneering
    You have to remember @3090 that PIP is awarded based on how your disabilities affect you not on the disabilities themselves.

    If you go to tribunal you need to communicate how exactly these illnesses impact on your everyday life.

    For example rather than saying my arthritis means I cant move about easily you would say - Because of pain in my legs and back I cannot walk far. Last week I attempted to walk to the corner shop and only managed to walk 30m before I could not proceed any further. Even with my walking stick this is the maximum distance I could manage. 

    You need to provide examples for each of the PIP descriptors that apply to you
  • 3090
    3090 Member Posts: 9 Listener
    I'm not going to tribunal because of covid. I've sent in evidence of how my condition affects me to the tribunal. These are medical letters 
  • BrettW
    BrettW Member Posts: 607 Pioneering
    edited January 30
    Have you sent any corroborating evidence with these letters @3090 The problem with medical letters is that most of the time they will only be useful in highlighting symptoms of illnesses. Unless you submit an account of how your conditions affect you in every day life there is a good chance these letters will be of limited use in strengthening your case at the tribunal
  • 3090
    3090 Member Posts: 9 Listener
    I understand. I've had a letter written on my behalf as to how my disability affects me. Do you think that would help? 
  • 3090
    3090 Member Posts: 9 Listener
    Does the secretary of states supplementary submission have a right to overrule a tribunal decision? 
  • calcotti
    calcotti Member Posts: 2,979 Disability Gamechanger
    If I understand what you are asking...
    The supplementary submission is the the DWP evidence to the tribunal which the tribunal will consider alongside your evidence. It can’t overrule the tribunal decision - the tribunal hasn’t taken place yet.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,432 Disability Gamechanger
    Why are we now on a third thread on the same subject? If you have this many questions then, put simply, you need representation and quickly. 
  • Cher_Inactive
    Cher_Inactive Posts: 4,414

    Scope community team

    Hi @3090

    I've merged your new thread with your others, as advised earlier, to keep all posts related to your experience in one place.

    As @mikehughescq pointed out, having representation to support you with the tribunal would definitely be worthwhile.  To find representation, visit the Advice Local website and enter your postcode - selecting 'Welfare benefits' from the drop down topic list.  This will bring up a list of free independent advice organisations who can provide help.

    All the best and good luck!
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