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PIP backpayment has gone to debt management. PIP said the money will go to someone else first. Who?

maud84maud84 Member Posts: 5 Listener
edited February 1 in PIP, DLA and AA
Hi I was wondering if anyone can help I’ve been told my pip back payment has gone to debt management as I have a overpayment to pay but will still be left with some back pay after this is taken off, it’s been 3 weeks and I haven’t heard anything and debt management said they have not received the money yet from pip, I phoned pip and they have said it goes to someone else first so can’t trace it? Does anyone know who it goes to? 

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  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 2,867 Disability Gamechanger
    hi @maud84 good evening and welcome to scope, not heard of this problem before, I suspect the only people who can answer will be PIP 
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 2,920 Pioneering
    @maud hi  I dont know where it goes to before debt management but I expect it will get there

    Hope it gets sorted soon 
  • maud84maud84 Member Posts: 5 Listener
    thank you for your reply I asked pip who it goes to first and they didn’t even know, I guess it’s just a waiting game 🤦🏼‍♀️
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 2,920 Pioneering
    @maud its always a waiting game with the dwp lol 😆  
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 723 Pioneering
    Do you owe money for any benefit ? I can’t see why it Would go to debt management? 
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 2,920 Pioneering
    @cupcake88 she owes pip money so the person has to pay to the DWP debt management 
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 723 Pioneering
    Oh because she mentioned the money is comming out her pip back pay I thought it was a different benefit I thought it was her first time getting pip . Was you over paid on your pip and then you got your review and your payment was changed  ? Is that what happened 
  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 415 Pioneering
    there is an outstanding debt to DWP for any benefit then they can offset this against the PIP arrears payment. It is very unlikely that the debt itself relates to PIP.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • maud84maud84 Member Posts: 5 Listener
    edited February 1
    @calcotti hi yes there is a small debt with an overpayment from dwp from years ago that’s what they will be taking out of my pip back payment I just wondered if anyone knew who it is that they send the money to before debt management as debt management has not received it? 
  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 415 Pioneering
    Unfortunately I have no idea on that (doesn’t make much sense does it!). 
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 2,920 Pioneering
    @colcotti could it be that it just hasn't been registered yet as been paid???
  • maud84maud84 Member Posts: 5 Listener
    @calcotti no doesn’t make sense and pip seem like they don’t know either 🤦🏼‍♀️ Debt management have tried to be helpful tho hopefully I will hear something soon thank you all for your help 
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 2,920 Pioneering
    @maud could you let us know how you get on 
  • maud84maud84 Member Posts: 5 Listener
    @lisathomas50 yes of course I phoned debt management today they still have not received the money so said ring back by the end of the week as they should of had it by now but it does go to a few other people before it gets to them.
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 2,920 Pioneering
    @maud fingers crossed the dwp do some strange things  nothing is straight forward 
  • chiariedschiarieds Community champion Posts: 6,895 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @maud - I just wanted to welcome you to the group, & to hope you get your problem resolved shortly. :)
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,312 Disability Gamechanger
    edited February 1
    Whilst DWP continue to offset in this way it remains strongly arguable they have no legal basis for doing so. I have yet to lose a challenge on the point. 

    There is a separate process for o/p recovery and very limited overlap with offsetting, which is something intended to be used in different circumstances. 

    First question to ask is whether your o/p covers the same period as the award of arrears. If it does not then they have an immediate issue. I strongly urge you to get advice/representation at this point rather than just accept that the money has gone.
  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 415 Pioneering
    edited February 1
    On the other hand it may be helpful for OP to have the debt paid off so there are no future deductions from ongoing benefits.

    Mike, are you suggesting that the statements at 5.8 and 5.9 of https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/benefit-overpayment-recovery-staff-guide/benefit-overpayment-recovery-guide#chapter-5--how-do-we-recover have no legal basis?
    5.8 Social Security legislation allows for the recovery of recoverable overpayments by compulsory deductions from most benefits. For a complete list, see Appendix 1
    5.9 The deduction can be made from a different benefit to the one originally overpaid, 

    Paras 5.49 onwards refer also

    (I do note that unlike Advice to Decision Makers and Decision Makers Guide no legislation references are given in the recovery guide.)

    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,312 Disability Gamechanger
    Yes I am. 

    That is guidance not law and, as is often the case, DWP guidance often misplaces or misquotes the law. You’re also quoting a section which is not relevant to this. 5.8 is referring to deductions. This does not appear to be a deduction, which would be weekly. It is a lump sum offset so entirely different. Also worth noting that “most benefits” phrase. You cannot make any deductions from PIP at all. It is explicitly excluded. 
  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 415 Pioneering
    Thanks, Mike. Yes 5.49 onwards deals with arrears, I was asking a more general point about offsetting. Are you also saying that the inclusion of PIP in the benefits list at Appendix 1 is incorrect?
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,312 Disability Gamechanger
    Good spot. I don’t know whether that is correct or not without doing an amount of digging I can’t be bothered doing. What I can say is that I have never known weekly deductions from PIP or any disability benefit in 35 years.
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