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ESA SUPPORT GROUP TO UC

Black_DogBlack_Dog Member Posts: 15 Listener
Hello,

I am currently receiving ESA Support group awarded in October following my telephone assessment. My grown children are about to leave have both got own places so need assistance with housing costs. I am currently going through the application process for UC they have asked about my health and asked if I claimed a benefit (although not which one). Will I be asked to go through the whole assessment for ESA again having very recently been assessed? Thank you in advance.

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  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 2,194 Pioneering
    Your ESA work status should be carried across to UC. Because you are in the Support Group your UC status should be LCWRA and you will be entitled to the LCWRA element from the start of the UC claim. DWP can however reassess at any time.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • Black_DogBlack_Dog Member Posts: 15 Listener
    Thank you for a quick reply. So the fact that haven't asked me about my current claim isn't anything to be concerned about? 
  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 2,194 Pioneering
    edited February 9
    Black_Dog said:
    Thank you for a quick reply. So the fact that haven't asked me about my current claim isn't anything to be concerned about? 
    I thought one of the questions you are asked as part of the UC claim process was 'Were you paid any of the following benefits in the last month?' and one of the benefits listed was ESA.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • ThankGodThankGod Member Posts: 26 Connected
    I did this last year.  I was told to advise UC that I have a "confirmed award" for ESA Support Group for XX years from XX date.   The process went very smoothly and they transferred me to LWRCA straight away.
  • Black_DogBlack_Dog Member Posts: 15 Listener
    calcotti said:
    Black_Dog said:
    Thank you for a quick reply. So the fact that haven't asked me about my current claim isn't anything to be concerned about? 
    I thought one of the questions you are asked as part of the UC claim process was 'Were you paid any of the following benefits in the last month?' and one of the benefits listed was ESA.
    No, my bad for not taking full notice I think it was in a section about payments/money but I don’t think it was that specific I think it was more “do you receive any of the following benefits” and there was a list but yeh just answer yes or no.
  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 8,001

    Scope community team

    Hi @Black_Dog, they should automatically check with ESA whether you were or are still claiming. It can be worthwhile to add a quick note to your journal letting them know you have a determined award on ESA (not only so they can transfer the award across but so they stop asking for fit notes or setting work commitments).
    Community Manager
    Scope
  • Black_DogBlack_Dog Member Posts: 15 Listener
    Thank you Adrian, will do.
  • Black_DogBlack_Dog Member Posts: 15 Listener
    I applied and it had a section about how other benefits affects your claim but how im not on any when I am  :#

    I have popped a note into my journal and have to hope someone reads it.
  • Black_DogBlack_Dog Member Posts: 15 Listener
    Just to follow on from my claim, I have a call on 23rd Feb for a "Biological" chat is this the norm?
    Looked on the To do list and there are questions about my job search & no reply to my telling them that I was awarded Support group on the 27th November 2020, do they even reply.

    My anxiety is through the roof, terrible on the phone and generally feeling out of control with the changes happening for me currently. Sorry guys for going on.
  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 2,194 Pioneering
    That may be a biographical chat to verify your identity if it hasn’t been done some other way.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • Black_DogBlack_Dog Member Posts: 15 Listener
    calcotti said:
    That may be a biographical chat to verify your identity if it hasn’t been done some other way.
    Sorry your correct it was a biographical chat, what does that mean/consist of please so I could prepare myself. Thank you Calcotti.

  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 2,194 Pioneering
    edited February 19
    I don’t know but if you haven’t been able to verify identity with passport etc I think they simply ask questions based on other information they can access through government departments to see if you can provide answers which will enable them to confirm you are who you say you are. If other forum members have had one they may be able to provide more information.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • Black_DogBlack_Dog Member Posts: 15 Listener
    I had 2 very anxious calls where basically they treat you like a job seeker. It made me all so low saying 35 hours job searching. I have been in bed with my anxiety everything churning round and round all week worrying about it all. I popped in my journal (well my daughter did) that I have a claim for ESA SG and someone replied saying they have checked and yes they acknowledge that and will be in touch. I’m also so worried about bedroom tax I have a 3 bed home both my children moved out and I’m looking at a shortfall of over £37 a week I’m feeling so overwhelmed by it all 😩 
  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 2,194 Pioneering
    You can apply to your local authority for a Discretionary Housing Payment to help with the rent shortfall. If you awarded a DHP it will only be short term. 
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/claiming-discretionary-housing-payments
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • Black_DogBlack_Dog Member Posts: 15 Listener
    calcotti said:
    You can apply to your local authority for a Discretionary Housing Payment to help with the rent shortfall. If you awarded a DHP it will only be short term. 
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/claiming-discretionary-housing-payments
    Thank you. Should I start this process now or wait for the award from UC?

    I received a letter yesterday saying that my ESA had stopped due to a new claim for UC, does this mean that my award is not going to be carried over? (which was Nov 2020)
  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 2,194 Pioneering
    edited March 3
    Black_Dog said: I received a letter yesterday saying that my ESA had stopped due to a new claim for UC, does this mean that my award is not going to be carried over? (which was Nov 2020)
    it means that you will no longer be paid ESA because claiming UC ends entitlement to income based ESA. Your Work Capability status should be carried over and the UC entitlement calculated accordingly.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • Black_DogBlack_Dog Member Posts: 15 Listener
    calcotti said:
    Black_Dog said: I received a letter yesterday saying that my ESA had stopped due to a new claim for UC, does this mean that my award is not going to be carried over? (which was Nov 2020)
    it means that you will no longer be paid ESA because claiming UC ends entitlement to income based ESA. Your Work Capability status should be carried over and the UC entitlement calculated accordingly.
    Calcotti, thank you for all of your informative replies you are massively helping with my anxiety.

  • Black_DogBlack_Dog Member Posts: 15 Listener
    ThankGod said:
    I did this last year.  I was told to advise UC that I have a "confirmed award" for ESA Support Group for XX years from XX date.   The process went very smoothly and they transferred me to LWRCA straight away.
    Thank you Thank God, I have done exactly this. Fingers & Toes crossed.
  • Black_DogBlack_Dog Member Posts: 15 Listener
    I have just looked at my award and I can't work it out. On entitled to and another it was around £1,250 & £1,300 per month but it states considerably less that that. It seems there is no housing element inc? Is there anyone here who could possibly help me understand it maybe via inbox message? Thanks
  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 8,001

    Scope community team

    Hi @Black_Dog. Entitledto isn’t always accurate but I’d be happy to try and help you. It sounds like your housing element may be missing - can you tell me, do you rent and is it a private rental or with a council/housing association?
    To do this privately, you could email me at [email protected]
    Community Manager
    Scope
  • Black_DogBlack_Dog Member Posts: 15 Listener
    Hi @Black_Dog. Entitledto isn’t always accurate but I’d be happy to try and help you. It sounds like your housing element may be missing - can you tell me, do you rent and is it a private rental or with a council/housing association?
    To do this privately, you could email me at [email protected]
    Hello, thank you for your reply. I am HA tenant over 20yrs.
  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 8,001

    Scope community team

    Okay, so assuming you are on the tenancy agreement your UC statement should have 'housing' on it. It sounds as though they haven't verified it yet so you'll be owed an underpayment @Black_Dog

    I'll see if I can find an example for you of how your statement should look, but it would be worth you getting in touch with UC (put a message under the 'about a payment' category) explaining housing is missed from your statement. 

    Does the rest of your statement look as expected?
    Community Manager
    Scope
  • Black_DogBlack_Dog Member Posts: 15 Listener
    edited March 22
    Hello @Adrian_Scope , as expected Housing Element not included. L&Q had said I wasn't responsible for the rent which is ridiculous. I messaged on my journal to explain what had happened at no point did anyone explain to me that "I" had to redeclare my housing costs, and L&Q extremely slow on my verification saying I had missed the window when I did it the same day as I was told (i have raised a case with Welform Reform Team at L&Q) but of course I'm the person left effected having to chase this all when i'm unwell. This causes me no end of stress & worry. It also said once I redeclared that I was declaring outside of my assessment period I would need a good reason to backdate it? 

  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 8,001

    Scope community team

    Hopefully L&Q will be understanding if their rent is late given that their reporting sounds like the issue here. I'm sorry it's causing such stress @Black_Dog. I've seen cases where housing associations have declared wildly incorrect amounts, or slight discrepancies like names spelt wrong or 1p out, and housing element hasn't been verified as a result. 

    The good news is that once they've verified it, you should receive it backdated. Have you redeclared your housing costs now?
    Community Manager
    Scope
  • Black_DogBlack_Dog Member Posts: 15 Listener
    Hopefully L&Q will be understanding if their rent is late given that their reporting sounds like the issue here. I'm sorry it's causing such stress @Black_Dog. I've seen cases where housing associations have declared wildly incorrect amounts, or slight discrepancies like names spelt wrong or 1p out, and housing element hasn't been verified as a result. 

    The good news is that once they've verified it, you should receive it backdated. Have you redeclared your housing costs now?
    Yes, put in weekly rent & occupants etc in the "Change Of Circumstances" section. So I guess a waiting game. I've never been in rent arrears so this delay does cause me concern. Thank you for your help and swift responses.

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