Lockdown

Audinut70

Im tired of mp's and the like demanding things open up sooner, the extra risk, so people who die because of this are just collateral damage! Hypothetically, would you give up your job/business if it would save your family? Yes, people are losing jobs/money, but what about the people that are losing family members? That affects mental health a lot more than losing your job, which can be replaced. Which is a fact there's no job security in this country anyway, like the minister that told nurses,  they should be grateful for THEIR job security. I wish people would think of the bigger picture than just themselves. 

fluffycat

Better 'steady' as you go as this 'lock/unlock' is tedious and wasteful for food businesses etc.

Trouble is people go 'silly' when unlock!!

The week before full lockdown last Spring, hospitality was heaving AND when restrictions were lesser there were huge groups partying in the park with loud music etc. Wine bars etc. were like bees to honey-pot with outside seating.

If we could trust people we could unlock sooner!!! I'm careful to go places when quieter and avoid queues where possible. Even quieter stretches of parkland or later in day.
(shops seem more fuller and less social distancing)

fluffycat

Very difficult, Italy scenes were absolutely tragic and the lockdown (though as you say another  disaster was created by lockdown) potentially prevented those scenes, though we had huge numbers dying.

Audinut70

The economy is my point, Wealth, this can all be recouped, and we'll still be better off than some 3rd world countries. Too much of life is about having loads of money. So what if we have to use foodbanks, or cant afford that bottle of wine. People need people, not possessions or luxuries. Why do we look at this less,than if we we're at war? This virus has killed more people than the 2nd world war. But it's ok because it's not people killing us??? This enemy 'won't' stop because we're are getting poorer! As long as we put wealth before life,this enemy will always win. I personally dont care if we go back to the dark ages, itll solve the levelling up problem for one.

Audinut70

@#$$$@ are complaining about police breaking the unbelievable ignorant crowd up. They were told 'not' to go. What!!! So the police just stand by and shrug their shoulders??? Ive got a chance of going blind because I cant get the operations i need, because of people like them. How many people have already died because of people like them. They risk so many other people's lives, but they jump the queue if/when they catch it. I would probably get banned from here if i wrote what I really think of them. 
Right to protest! Aye, do it online, or donate like the organisers said. I think they are responsible for it anyway. Plant the seed and it will grow. 

Audinut70

I cant believe what I'm hearing, it could be 'guaranteed' that everyone at an organised meeting will stick to the rules!!! It takes a couple of people to transmit the virus, if 1 person dies because of that, thats another family lost a member of their family. The rifht to life should far outweigh any demo's or meetings. But them, it could never be proved it came from that meeting, so thats ok.

Audinut70

Ive just had my brothers service on Thursday, i couldn't mourn him the way i wanted too, who the @#$% do these people think they are thinking they can do what they want for someone they didn't know. I'm mourning, what about me? I'm nit bothered if you kick me off here, if people on here think that putting other lives at risk is ok,as long as its for a cause, i don't want to be here. I'm all for causes, done reasonably. 

Audinut70

My argument for anyone who think I'm being unreasonable. 1, can they guarantee everyone there will stick to the rules? 2, can they guarantee everyone there is there for the same reason? (Disruptors). 3, women haters there to gloat. If anyone can argue that these are acceptable risks, ill bow down to them.

Audinut70

Oh,but howay, they wanted to mourn, anyone dying from their actions is just collateral damage. Dont forget, the right to hold peaceful protest or vigil, supersedes the right to life. I mean,they couldn't do what 100s of thousands of other women did, light candles or their phones ar their doors. half my family can't go to my brother's service, but thats different, its only my family. 

Lisatho11987777

Well if the scientists are right with what has been said that doing things to fast will end up with a third wave by May 

7 schools have been closed across Wales becsuse of corona virus cases 

All any one can do is keep their self safe 

It doesn't matter what any of us say it is what it is and we just have to get on with life the best way you can 

It's going to be around for a whilst even if you have had the vacine you still have to wear a mask and keep your distance so it's no different 

Audinut70

Sorry, i meant in this country, i assumed people would think the same. It didn't even occur to me about other countries. Ive just done s Google, and the numbers for some countries is mind numbing. God bless our raf pilots, and military. 

Lisatho11987777

How ever many deaths there have been its still way to many  this is an invisible war with covid you dont know where or when or if its going to happen so we just do the best we can to stay safe 

Lisatho11987777

@woodbine yes sorry I get that point of it  but as I said it is what it is we have to keep ourselves  safe so we don't end up in those numbers so many people have died 

How many people died in the plague @woodbine out of interest that went on for about four years until it ran its course if I remember  rightly I could be wrong and apologise if I am 

Lisatho11987777

Sorry I am not messaging so much at the moment just grabbing time when I can 

leeCal

@lisathomas50 you don’t have to go back as far as the plague, just until the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic.

’Before COVID-19, the most severe pandemic in recent history was the 1918 influenza virus, often called “the Spanish Flu.” The virus infected roughly 500 million people—one-third of the world’s population—and caused  50 million deaths worldwide (double the number of deaths in World War I). In the United States, a quarter of the population caught the virus, 675,000 died, and life expectancy dropped by 12 years. With no vaccine to protect against the virus, people were urged to isolate, quarantine, practice good personal hygiene, and limit social interaction.’

Lisatho11987777

@leeCal thanks for that I knew about the Spanish flu but not how many people died thsts why I asked how many people died in the plague 

From what you have said lessons should of been learnt then 

Lisatho11987777

@woodbine thank  you  let's hope the corona virus doesn't cause that many deaths  

Audinut70

This had been blown all out if proposition, i meant civilians in Britain, sorry the UK. Armed forces are basically sent to their deaths by their leaders, death for some is inevitable. I'm sorry for not stating that, and thinking people would know what I meant, but my figures were correct. I just know that people are dying unnecessarily by people having large gatherings. Its never going to end,until people stop thinking it wont/can't happen to them,or they're just not bothered/think it's not real. The vaccine is useless if people keep opening doors for the virus to move and mutate, just for those that think the vaccine is our saviour, only people can stop it.

Audinut70

Are holocaust deaths included in your figures? Im not clear if it was the war, or racism, which category would they come under, it wasn't made clear to me. Nit picking just detracts from the point being made. 

Cher_Alumni

@Audinut70 Understandably, this is a topic attracting different views but please remember to keep comments friendly and focused on the topic and not other members. Grief is hard and I'm sorry you have recently lost your brother. I have friends who've also lost loved ones during covid-19 and they share your upset at not being able to have all friends and family at the funeral. If you think you'd benefit from extra support with your bereavement, please let the team know so we can help. 

Audinut70

That was my point. Looking for faults, assuming people can't make up their own minds whether they understand the message, takes it off topic. It was blatantly obvious i didn't mean world deaths. Rather than criticising my post, why not just 'ask' what I mean. My facts were correct, i made the mistake of not being specific, because i thought people would work it out for themselves. Or is that wrong? Or do i have to explain every post in detail.