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Do you have to be related to the person you care for to claim Carers Element on Universal Credit?

poniesponies Member Posts: 66 Connected
edited April 30 in Universal Credit
Do you have to be related to the person you care for to claim Carers Element on Universal Credit 
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  • poniesponies Member Posts: 66 Connected
    Also will it affect Council Tax 
  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 9,238 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi there 

    Simple answer no 
  • poniesponies Member Posts: 66 Connected
    Thank you once again Janer1967
  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 1,236 Pioneering
    Be aware that if you claim carer element of UC they will lose the Severe Disability Premium if they are getting it in any benefits they claim.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • poniesponies Member Posts: 66 Connected
    The person gets Attendance Allowance 
    at lower rate. He is married & gets a state pension & claims for himself & his wife. They also get a bit of pension credit. His wife will be getting her own state pension in June 2021. Then they won’t be getting any pension credit, as wife has paid enough contributions to be entitled to any pension credit.
  • poniesponies Member Posts: 66 Connected
    Would they be entitled to claim S.D.P. 

  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 1,236 Pioneering
    ponies said:
    Would they be entitled to claim S.D.P. 
    Only if wife gets a disability benefit also. If not, then no.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • poniesponies Member Posts: 66 Connected
    Okay thanks calcotti
  • poniesponies Member Posts: 66 Connected
    If both husband and wife get Attendance Allowance do they then qualify for S.D.A
  • poniesponies Member Posts: 66 Connected
    If someone claims a Carers element who receives Universal Credit who caring for one of them, would they still be able to get S.D.A if they are both receiving A.A.
  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 1,236 Pioneering
    edited May 1
    ponies said:
    If both husband and wife get Attendance Allowance do they then qualify for S.D.A

    If someone claims a Carers element who receives Universal Credit who caring for one of them, would they still be able to get S.D.A if they are both receiving A.A.
    If both husband and wife get AA and nobody claims CA for looking after them then are entitled to a double SDP in the Pension Credit calculation.

    If both husband and wife get AA and somebody claims CA for looking after one of them then are entitled to a single SDP in the Pension Credit calculation.

    If both husband and wife get AA and there are two people claiming CA for looking after them then there is no SDP entitlement. 

    Note - SDP is not a separate benefit. It is an additional amount included in the calculation of the Pension Credit amount payable. If they had other income there might still be no Pension Credit payable. Each SDP is worth £67.30/week whereas the carer element of UC is only worth £163.73/month (equivalent to £37.78/week).
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,996 Disability Gamechanger
    If both claim AA then it makes more sense to claim CA for caring for each other. That would establish underlying entitlements to CA i.e. it wouldn’t be paid because SRPs were in but consequently you get double SDP and a couples rate CP.
  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 1,236 Pioneering
    edited May 1
    If both claim AA then it makes more sense to claim CA for caring for each other. That would establish underlying entitlements to CA i.e. it wouldn’t be paid because SRPs were in but consequently you get double SDP and a couples rate CP.
    Thanks Mike - I should have spotted that!
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • poniesponies Member Posts: 66 Connected
    What does SRPs ?
    if only one of them have a Carer, can the other one on A.A get SDA 
  • poniesponies Member Posts: 66 Connected
    Or they would be better off to claim care allowance for each other.
    Also will their pension credit entitlement stop altogether when one of them gets her retirement pension if She has paid enough stamps over the years. At present Husband claims for both of them on his retirement pension & gets some pension credit included 
  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 1,236 Pioneering
    ponies said:
    What does SRPs ?
    State Retirement Pension
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 1,236 Pioneering
    edited May 1
    ponies said:
    Or they would be better off to claim care allowance for each other.
    Also will their pension credit entitlement stop altogether when one of them gets her retirement pension if She has paid enough stamps over the years. At present Husband claims for both of them on his retirement pension & gets some pension credit included 
    It depends on their entitlement and how much her pension is. Pension Credit entitlement will be worked out as a maximum amount and then the pension income (and any other relevant deductions) will be deducted. The amount left is the Pension Credit payable. Has she had a pension forecast?
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • poniesponies Member Posts: 66 Connected
    Yes She has had a pension forecast as She’s due to reach state pension. Was told She wouldn’t be entitled to pension credit or council tax, as it will be classed as an overlapping payment. She gets Carers Allowance at the moment for looking after a family member, but was told that will also stop 
  • poniesponies Member Posts: 66 Connected
    She has paid NI contributions & was told because of them, together with her pension, her husbands pension they won’t be entitled to P.C.
    was also told She will not qualify for Carers Allowance.

  • poniesponies Member Posts: 66 Connected
    I thought you could still be a Carer on Pensions then it would be classed as an underlying payment when calculating there entitlement to both of their pensions 
  • poniesponies Member Posts: 66 Connected
    Giving them entitlement to some P.C. & Council Tax reduction
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 5,996 Disability Gamechanger
    If 2x SDP and 2x CP are in place then the chances of 2x SRPs knocking off PC entitlement are slim indeed unless there are remarkably high occupational pensions.
  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 1,236 Pioneering
    ponies said:
    I thought you could still be a Carer on Pensions then it would be classed as an underlying payment when calculating there entitlement to both of their pensions 
    That's exactly what Mike has said. Someone can claim Carers Allowance. Assuming the State Pension is worth more than the CA, the CA will not be paid but an underlying entitlement is established which means that a carer premium is included in the calculation of means tested benefits.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • calcotticalcotti Member Posts: 1,236 Pioneering
    edited May 1
    ponies said:
    Yes She has had a pension forecast as She’s due to reach state pension. Was told She wouldn’t be entitled to pension credit or council tax, as it will be classed as an overlapping payment. She gets Carers Allowance at the moment for looking after a family member, but was told that will also stop 
    ponies said:
    Giving them entitlement to some P.C. & Council Tax reduction
    She cannot claim Pension Credit because husband already claims it. When she reaches pension age the Pension credit will be recalculated to take account of her pension. As previously advised whether or not anything is payable depends on the maximum entitlement and the amount of pension or other income.

    The Carers Allowance will stop but the will be entitled to a carer premium in the Pension Credit calculation.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
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