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Pip report back today. They've lied about everything. Does the DM go with the report?

Shelly118
Shelly118 Member Posts: 13 Listener
edited September 22 in PIP, DLA, and AA
Hey 👋 I got my pip report back today they have lied about everything so if the cm goes with that I will score 0 on every single section 
My question is do they go with the assessor and their report or do they actually read the forms and make an independent decision 
The only evidence I had was a prescription and statements of myself and my partner who is with me 24/ 7 
I cried the whole way through my assessment and needed lots of prompts but the assessor seems to have concluded that I have a car so I can drive and plan a journey ( I have driven 6 times in 5 years due to the difficulties it causes) and I have a bank account so I can do everything independently and have no mental health or physical health issues I'm really fed up and stressed because of it 

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  • janer1967
    janer1967 Member Posts: 12,375 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi and welcome to the community 

    The dm looks at all the evidence but in most cases goes with the report but there ars times they don't 

    You can always submit more detail around what you think should be considered before the decision is made 

    Withold from saying there are lies just point out what you think should be considered from your own perspective 
    I have professional experience in HR within public,  private, and charity sectors.  If I can't help I will
  • Shelly118
    Shelly118 Member Posts: 13 Listener
    Thankyou, would you suggest doing notes etc because I don't agree with any of it , I still won't have any evidence other then what myself and my partner has said and my prescription though 
  • L_Volunteer
    L_Volunteer Community Volunteer Adviser Posts: 352 Pioneering
    edited September 22
    Hey @Shelly118, 

    Thanks for reaching out to us. Sorry to hear you are experiencing such a tough time at the moment with PIP. The process sounds really frustrating for you. In response to your question, the Citizen's advice (https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/before-claiming/check-you-are-eligible/) states "PIP is not based on the condition you have or the medication you take. It is based on the level of help you need because of how your condition affects you. You're assessed on the level of help you need with specific activities. It's hard to say if the level of help you need will qualify you for PIP. But, if you get or need help with any of the following because of your condition, you should consider applying: Preparing and cooking food, eating and drinking, managing your treatments, washing and bathing, managing toilet needs or incontinence, dressing and undressing, communicating with other people, reading and understanding written information, mixing with others, making decisions about money, planning a journey or following a route or moving around. The help you get may be from a person, an aid (such as a walking stick or guide dog) or an adaptation to your home or car". In summary, if you can provide evidence that you experience any of these difficulties, you should be considered for PIP. I am just wondering if your partner receives carers allowance? That could support your application as it is a form of evidence that your partner supports you with managing your difficulties. I hope this helps! However, PIP is not my area of expertise and I am hoping someone with more knowledge in this area can respond to you. I mostly wanted to respond to you to say I am sorry to hear that you feel so invalidated by the assessors. Please know, we believe you, we hear you and we are here for you. I hope things improve for you soon. If you have any additional questions, please do not hesitate to reach out to us again  :)
    I have expertise in the following subjects, gained through professional settings such as high level education or employment: autism spectrum disorder, dyslexia, down's syndrome, social, emotional and mental health difficulties, assistive technology and education. Pronouns: She/her.
  • Shelly118
    Shelly118 Member Posts: 13 Listener
    Thankyou I have to have help in all of those areas but the assessor lied and the pip descriptor points are saying 0 on all sections 
  • janer1967
    janer1967 Member Posts: 12,375 Disability Gamechanger
    @L_Volunteerthe op has already applied had the assessment and had a copy of the report 

    @Shelly118

    Just go through the report and give bullet points on the descriptors you think that factors haven't been taken into account eg the driving for one 

    You don't need to provide more evidence the best is your account and that of someone who sees you and supports you doing the tasks 

    Of course you could wait for the decision to see as they may not go with the report 

    If you then want to appeal you can do so 
    I have professional experience in HR within public,  private, and charity sectors.  If I can't help I will
  • Shelly118
    Shelly118 Member Posts: 13 Listener
    Thankyou ever so much I will do that and wait for the decision letter then take it from there do you know the appeal process so I know what to expect please I have bad anxiety and it is already getting to me 
  • janer1967
    janer1967 Member Posts: 12,375 Disability Gamechanger
    The first form of appeal is to do a mandatory reconsideration (mr) 

    Do this in writing within 1 month of the decision going through each descriptor which you disagree with giving real examples of what happens when you try and do the task 

    Your award is then looked at by a different dm and a decision is made you don't have another assessment 

    Success rate is around 50% currently 

    If your Mr isn't successful you can then take it to tribunal 
    I have professional experience in HR within public,  private, and charity sectors.  If I can't help I will
  • Shelly118
    Shelly118 Member Posts: 13 Listener
    Do you have a address where I would send it to please 
  • L_Volunteer
    L_Volunteer Community Volunteer Adviser Posts: 352 Pioneering
    Thanks @janer1967. I was aware but it just makes me sad that the assessor was invalidating  :( I am hoping @Shelly118 can follow-up with them, like you said, with factors or evidence which were not taken into account in the assessment. This might prompt a re-assessment or an appeal's process and may change the final outcome. As Citizen's Advice (https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/appeals/mandatory-reconsideration/) states "If you disagree with the decision that's been made about your PIP claim, you can challenge it. You can challenge the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) decision about PIP if: you didn't get it, you got a lower rate than you expected or you think your award isn't long enough. The best way to apply for a reconsideration is to use the CRMR1 mandatory reconsideration request form (which you can find at https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/challenge-a-decision-made-by-the-department-for-work-and-pensions-dwp) or write a letter to the DWP explaining why you disagree with the decision. You can call the DWP to ask for a reconsideration, but it's better to have everything in writing. If you decide to call, make sure you follow up with a letter. The contact details will be on the decision letter from DWP. Check the date on your decision letter. You need to ask for a mandatory reconsideration within 1 month of that date. If you use the form or send a letter, the DWP will need to receive it within 1 month". You can find more information and several examples on the Citizen's Advice link. I hope this helps! But if you need clarification about anything, please do not hesitate to tell us  :)
    I have expertise in the following subjects, gained through professional settings such as high level education or employment: autism spectrum disorder, dyslexia, down's syndrome, social, emotional and mental health difficulties, assistive technology and education. Pronouns: She/her.
  • janer1967
    janer1967 Member Posts: 12,375 Disability Gamechanger
    It's the same address where you sent your form to sorry I don't know it 

    If you are waiting for the decision letter details will be in there pm how to appeal 

    If you send anything make sure you put your name and Nat ins number on every page 

    It may take a while to get a decision anything up to 3 months 
    I have professional experience in HR within public,  private, and charity sectors.  If I can't help I will
  • L_Volunteer
    L_Volunteer Community Volunteer Adviser Posts: 352 Pioneering
    edited September 22
    And yes @Shelly118, I would still recommend writing detailed examples of where you do not feel the assessor took into account your needs. A template you could use if you wish is that "the report from my assessment states I don't need any aids or help to X. This is untrue. I can't X - I can only Y and I need Z support/aids" or "the report from my assessment states I don't need any aids or help to X. This is untrue. I can do X but it leaves me feeling Y and unable to do Z". I hope this is useful  :)
    I have expertise in the following subjects, gained through professional settings such as high level education or employment: autism spectrum disorder, dyslexia, down's syndrome, social, emotional and mental health difficulties, assistive technology and education. Pronouns: She/her.
  • Shelly118
    Shelly118 Member Posts: 13 Listener
  • Shelly118
    Shelly118 Member Posts: 13 Listener
    Thankyou to the both of you 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 23,910 Disability Gamechanger
    And yes @Shelly118, I would still recommend writing detailed examples of where you do not feel the assessor took into account your needs. A template you could use if you wish is that "the report from my assessment states I don't need any aids or help to X. This is untrue. I can't X - I can only Y and I need Z support/aids" or "the report from my assessment states I don't need any aids or help to X. This is untrue. I can do X but it leaves me feeling Y and unable to do Z". I hope this is useful  :)

    I disagree with this. Telling them you can't do X because of Y isn't going to help anyone get a PIP award amd you then end up going round in circles.
    Firstly what you need to do is put the report away and forget about it because it won't get you a PIP award. What will help is giving a couple of real world examples of what happened the last time you attempted that activity for each descriptor that applies to you. Adding information such as where it happened, who (if anyone) seen it, what exactly happened and what were the consequences. You should aim for at least one side of A4 paper per descriptor.
    During the assessment the HCP isn't there to write everything you say verbatim, if they were there would be no point in having the assessments in the first place. They are there to gather more evidence and form their opinion which is then written in the report.
  • Shelly118
    Shelly118 Member Posts: 13 Listener
    Thankyou poppy I know the report won't give me a decision and I will do as you said because I have daily occurrences on every section but the assessor didn't listen to me and rushed me and prompted me lots of times throughout the assessment 
  • lillybelle
    lillybelle Member Posts: 571 Pioneering
    I did mine on a computer then you could put things in or erase them if need be. You can save it to the hard drive therefore you have a copy if you need to refer back to it in the future.
    I virtually started mine the same day I received the report as I knew the decision letter would be the same. And I was correct.
    it was finished and posted the very next day.
    it’s much easier than writing pages and pages
    good luck. 
    Just try to point out where you think you should of earned points and give examples 
  • Maybeimcrazy
    Maybeimcrazy Member Posts: 35 Connected
    Hi @Shelly118 who did your assessment report ? I only ask because mine was a paramedic and I'm asking because i feel it should be a proper health care/doctor hope your well also xx 
  • calcotti
    calcotti Member Posts: 3,069 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @Shelly118 who did your assessment report ? I only ask because mine was a paramedic and I'm asking because i feel it should be a proper health care/doctor hope your well also xx 
    Many assessors are paramedics. The assessment is about how your health affects your ability to carry out the specified activities - it is not a medical examination.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • Maybeimcrazy
    Maybeimcrazy Member Posts: 35 Connected
    Are they qualified to do such a job? And via phone call though. I think thats a easy way out of people doing the right job, sorry I'm not good with wording things sometimes but I've sent gp to MR today with letters off my sister and partner i just feel they are not as fully qualified as a doctor woube if that makes sense xx 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 23,910 Disability Gamechanger
    Are they qualified to do such a job? And via phone call though. I think thats a easy way out of people doing the right job, sorry I'm not good with wording things sometimes but I've sent gp to MR today with letters off my sister and partner i just feel they are not as fully qualified as a doctor woube if that makes sense xx 

    They do not need to be qualified. PIP is not about a diagnosis and they don't need to have any knowledge about any conditions. As advised, it's not a medical assessment.
  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Member Posts: 1,659 Disability Gamechanger
    edited October 12
    Paramedics doing assessments does seem a little odd though.  Their job is to deal with emergencies in the present.  They'll see much worse, but short term, problems every day.  Rather than seeing the long term functional impact caused by more 'minor' conditions.  Their perception of daily ability is likely to be affected by that.  While I don't agree that every assessment should be done by someone with experience in the claimants area, I do believe that the assessments will vary considerably depending on the assessors day job and experience.
  • janer1967
    janer1967 Member Posts: 12,375 Disability Gamechanger
    They don't need to be a qualified doctor as they are not doing medical assessments 

    They are assessing your functionality to complete task's 

    It is up to the claimant to provide medical evidence to support the claim if it is relevant 
    The decision maker also is not medical professional that isn't what pip is about 
    I have professional experience in HR within public,  private, and charity sectors.  If I can't help I will
  • Maybeimcrazy
    Maybeimcrazy Member Posts: 35 Connected
    Ok thanks for the input 😊😊
  • Maybeimcrazy
    Maybeimcrazy Member Posts: 35 Connected
    @OverlyAnxious forgive because i know what i want to say half the time but i can't always trype it and it ends up all over the place yes thats my point đŸ‘đŸ» regardless of a assessment or a medical i don't believe it should be a paramedic to do this work. Ad such. I feel it should be someone with a understanding so they play god as such if they feel like putting down correct info i don't no but that seen unfair. So many people have gone though stress etc by paramedics not, having full understanding of someones illness. Sorry i don't want to upset anyone. 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 23,910 Disability Gamechanger
    @OverlyAnxious forgive because i know what i want to say half the time but i can't always trype it and it ends up all over the place yes thats my point đŸ‘đŸ» regardless of a assessment or a medical i don't believe it should be a paramedic to do this work. Ad such. I feel it should be someone with a understanding so they play god as such if they feel like putting down correct info i don't no but that seen unfair. So many people have gone though stress etc by paramedics not, having full understanding of someones illness. Sorry i don't want to upset anyone. 

    It's the claimants responsibility to fully explain how exactly their conditions affect them so no knowledge is needed. You can have 2 people with the same condition that will be affected differenly. Therefore i see little point in having any knowledge of any conditions.
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,538 Disability Gamechanger
    Worth paramedics often have an incredibly broad medical experience and a very practical head on them. The obsession with "only a doctor will know" is really annoying. It's simply not true. 
  • lillybelle
    lillybelle Member Posts: 571 Pioneering
    my decision was definitely a cut & paste version of the report. It was word for word. Absolutely outstanding.
    I had to give them 10 out of 10 for it
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,538 Disability Gamechanger
    I do wonder sometimes what people want from DWP. In any one quarter there are around 400,000 decisions to be made in this area of work alone. There are at best a few thousand decision makers but people want a personalised letter. 

    It's the same mindset which says they want a decision really quickly but then complains when it appears rushed. 

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