PIP mention in autumn budget 2021

apple85

So it sounds like very short term pip awards are now a possibility 

To me (and those in the know please correct me if I’m wrong) this sounds like opening the door to further/more regular stressful assessment periods for the disabled - equalling yet another middle finger by the delightful tories

i wish that an official diagnosis (with paperwork) would be enough for these people - the dwp ignoring the facts and trying to say many aren’t actually disabled is getting a tad old

woodbine

It's a green paper, even if it sees the full light of day it could be well into 2023 until it becomes law, I watched the budget from start to finish and didn't hear any mention of benefits, other than the positive change to the UC which will come into force by 1st December this year, making working families in some cases better off by £1200 or £1800 a year, which will more than make up for the removal of the uplift.

apple85

I appreciate what you are trying to say woodbine - the snipit that I attached from the budget document I was referring to how the disabled in the uk either get nothing from a budget best case or their lives made more difficult 

you are referring to working families when talking about positive change - I’m not denying that some working parents do have disabilities but a good chunk of the disabled have no partner/children and are unable to work no fault of their own and there is nothing in this budget that could be perceived as positive for that specific group of people.

the budget doc is over 200 pages long so Sunak would of never been able to cover it all and common sense wise he picked the ‘positive’ parts to highlight in his speech and leave the not so pleasant pieces in the long doc that next to no one will read through

reading through the paragraph I posted these sound like the first 2 changes put forward from the green paper doc suggesting more to come (though that’s off topic and theory for now) - I think all the budget votes happen in the next fortnight


point that I was trying to make was that if this change happened it would lead to more assessments for the disabled and more stress/anxiety when the dwp know very well the ill effects on disabled claimants mental health these constant assessments have 

Cress

I love the way governments always use phrases like "targeting those most in need"

That always means they're going to make it harder to get whilst also inferring that there are many who shouldn't be getting it at all.
 
Leaving a lot of people resentful of anyone on disability benefits.

Disabled people get thrown under a bus everytime.

woodbine

I have to say as i'm sure we all know that assessments lead times have lengthened over the last 18 months and show no signs of changing, we have to deal with what is in the here and now and not what might be in the future.

mikehughescq

Even back of the envelope calculations this afternoon showed that there is no way on earth that the changes proposed today will compensate most UC recipients for the removal of the appallingly titled uplift. On balance the WR world has not welcomed the UC changes as positive. As with all budgets, if you just read and believe the headlines then the wider picture gets missed. 

1 - the £500 work allowance increase is nothing. It’s effectively worthless. A tenner a week. Woo hoo. Initially greeted with massive enthusiasm by parties who can’t now afford to back down publicly because Sunak presented it as £500 and let people assume it was pcm before anyone realised they’d been done over. 
 

2 - the change to the taper has some significance but it’s not linear and creates several pinch points where some people are worse off. I’d wait for Gareth Morgan’s blog to do the calculations on that before being daft enough to suggest it’s a positive. 

Where it’s beneficial though, all it’s really doing is bringing some people onto UC who would otherwise have been part of managed migration and will, on previous evidence, bring many people in incorrectly. Allied to the latest appalling campaign to persuade people to UC it’s just further litigation waiting to happen. I understand the DWP campaign is likely to be subject to a further complaint to the ASA. 

calcotti

mikehughescq said:..Sunak presented it as £500 and let people assume it was pcm before anyone realised they’d been done over.

I thought that. With UC being a monthly based benefit it was very sneaky to present it this way.

mikehughescq

Better off is more complex than “x has gone up”. The fat itself us performance and smoke screen. The coming weeks will reveal the truth. 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/28/household-tax-bills-to-rise-on-average-by-3000-by-2027-says-thinktank?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

calcotti

The Boris Budget • Resolution Foundation