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  • ChrisH90
    ChrisH90 Member Posts: 103 Connected
    Wenners said:
    Well it certainly felt Like we were in Court with the Judge,the DHSS representative there.
    The Judge award as very kind .
    The majority of the claims are upheld at Tribunal. How they can assess someone in a phone call?
    Yeah it was a quick 30 minute phone call, And they lady assessed me as being perfectly capable of carrying out tasks which I cannot do, I’m hoping to receive my MR result soon than later to get it out of the way, So stressful waiting.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 28,450 Disability Gamechanger
    Wenners said:
    Poppy u have probably never had to go thro this and have no idea

    I have plenty of benefits knowledge but thanks. Personally, i've never had any problems with both ESA and PIP for myself. Same with my daughters LCWRA and PIP.
    I can assure you that a Tribunal is not a court. The telephone assessments have been very successful and the majority of people are awarded successfully, with no problems.
  • ChrisH90
    ChrisH90 Member Posts: 103 Connected
    Wenners said:
    Poppy u have probably never had to go thro this and have no idea

    I have plenty of benefits knowledge but thanks. Personally, i've never had any problems with both ESA and PIP for myself. Same with my daughters LCWRA and PIP.
    I can assure you that a Tribunal is not a court. The telephone assessments have been very successful and the majority of people are awarded successfully, with no problems.
    I didn’t have a problem with LCWRA I got awarded that, But refused pip, I’m guessing it’ll be a while until I receive a MR decision as it’s been Christmas.
  • Wenners
    Wenners Member Posts: 17 Listener
  • calcotti
    calcotti Member Posts: 5,298 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 1
    Wenners said:
    What is LCWRA
    Limited Capability for Work and Work Related Activity.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • Adrian_Scope
    Adrian_Scope Posts: 8,572

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    I've removed a couple of comments from this thread. Please remember the house rules and to keep it friendly.
    The benefit system can be incredibly stressful, especially if you're not familiar with all the nuances. It's important to remember that emotions will run high, so rather than turning on one another, we should be doing our best to support and encourage each other. 
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  • Wenners
    Wenners Member Posts: 17 Listener
    Thank u Adrian I will try to remember that.Not only do I care for my scizo son but my other son has had several strokes and been thrown out by his wife and living with us and has had a breakdown,I apologise if I got a bit upset but it's a lot as I am 72 myself now😊
  • Wenners
    Wenners Member Posts: 17 Listener
    It's hard to be told it's badly completed forms causes it when it was filled in by a Citizens Advice Advocate for disabled people.
  • MarkM88
    MarkM88 Community Co-Production Group Posts: 2,954 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 1
    @Wenners just remember that no one here is against you, we are all here to help and we all have our own experiences and journeys but alongside that there are members that have very detailed knowledge of various areas of benefits and they are all here to support and guide you through everything so you get the best outcome, no one is trying to do the opposite, so engaging with us all and by listening you can get a lot of help and support. 
  • Wenners
    Wenners Member Posts: 17 Listener
    Those who have been turned down themselves have empathy for those in a similar situation
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 28,450 Disability Gamechanger
    Just because an advice agency fills out a form it doesn't mean it can't still be poorly completed.
  • Wenners
    Wenners Member Posts: 17 Listener
    She is an advocate skilled in her work filling in forms for people with disabilities. He was granted PIP by the Tribunal 3yrs ago she came to the Court with us,she wins all her cases.
    He has been turned down after a phone call at his 3 yr review.
  • calcotti
    calcotti Member Posts: 5,298 Disability Gamechanger
    Wenners said:
    Those who have been turned down themselves have empathy for those in a similar situation
    It's perfectly possible to empathise with other people even if one hasn't experienced the same circumstances oneself.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • kitkat23
    kitkat23 Member Posts: 7 Connected
    I read a lot of these threads...but would never dare ask for support as some of the regular posters are too smug and argumentative...its a shame really 
  • Wenners
    Wenners Member Posts: 17 Listener
    Hi Adrian. Thanks but no thanks I have found a few kind supportive people on here but some who are very tactless to people going thro difficult times. I will still support scope. 
  • paulamaria
    paulamaria Member Posts: 42 Connected
    @kitkat23 I asked for help on here and I can wholeheartedly say with out the help I know I would not have won my MR, if you need help don’t be afraid to ask as they are all so helpful on here , xx
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 28,450 Disability Gamechanger
    Wenners said:
    Those who have been turned down themselves have empathy for those in a similar situation

    Although i've never been turned down for any of those benefits, I have plenty of empathy thank you. If i didn't then i wouldn't have advised thousands of people and i certainly wouldn't be giving up my time freely to help others here.
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Posts: 8,845 Connected
    edited January 1
    Wenners said:
    It's hard to be told it's badly completed forms causes it when it was filled in by a Citizens Advice Advocate for disabled people.
    There is, sadly, no guarantee that someone from an advice service is competent at form filling. It varies with funding, experience, training etc. Generally if you’re good you have no need to tell anyone else that. You just get on with the job.

    Wenners said:
    She is an advocate skilled in her work filling in forms for people with disabilities. He was granted PIP by the Tribunal 3yrs ago she came to the Court with us,she wins all her cases.
    He has been turned down after a phone call at his 3 yr review.
    The “wins all her cases” is a red flag. No competent adviser wins all their cases. It’s impossible. The only way you do that is by cherry picking those cases which would win without your input as a rep. anyway. 

    calcotti said:
    Wenners said:
    Those who have been turned down themselves have empathy for those in a similar situation
    It's perfectly possible to empathise with other people even if one hasn't experienced the same circumstances oneself.
    I recommend “Against Empathy” by Paul Bloom. It overplays a very simple point but if you translate it into advice work then the point is well made. Empathy is one of the very worst qualities an adviser can have. It allows you to make an unconscious subjective judgement. I have empathy for this person. I don’t feel empathy for this person. That quickly lapses into “I feel really sorry for this person” which allows you to go the extra mile for people you like and feel sorry for rather than providing an equal service to all. 

    kitkat23 said:
    I read a lot of these threads...but would never dare ask for support as some of the regular posters are too smug and argumentative...its a shame really 
    Probably the most disappointing and passive aggressive comment I’ve read on here for a while, bar those who like to think their misfortune needs to be blamed on the alleged fraud of others. 

    By all means, if you’d like the regular posters to stop posting accurately I’m sure we’d all be happy to stop giving pf our time freely. Where would that advice come from then I wonder? Sorry, but good advice is about accuracy, options and often times telling people what no-one else has told them. None of us “enjoy” that or are smug or argumentative. Addressing the often inaccurate posts of claimants with lived experience is not arguing. I’m sure that feels uncomfortable but it is a truth that peoples interpretations of their own lived experience of benefit claims is often misleading or exaggerated. 

    I can’t think of anything more passive aggressive than being on a forum, which only exists for advice, to tell people that you’d never get advice from here. Is that argumentative? I’d say it was simply responding and making the obvious point. 

    You don’t have to “date” to ask for advice. Just ask. I think you’d be pleasantly surprised.
  • Adrian_Scope
    Adrian_Scope Posts: 8,572

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