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Pip- explaining the assessment, help?

bi786
bi786 Member Posts: 57 Connected
edited March 1 in PIP, DLA, and AA
Please can some one explain Assasemnt for pip im,why it’s done ? 

I’m being honest my Assasemnt told everything true how condition it affects my daily life .

assessor written poor report with mistakes 
each box marked unaided .except cooking 




when in history an an social occupational box she written 
I struggle ,need aid, an I need assistance an support .help to take medication .said I carried out msk but left it as in pain .

Asessor in prepping food is talking about bathing an washing

so she took points away saying no evidence aids
dressing bathing ,toileting
Wheoccupational came for visit they gave bath board , outside rails perching stool .

My bath installed already has handles 
an I had already got toilet rail. Previously points where given this time taken away 

each box to justify she said look at pa4 an no comments in each daily described box .

very poor report says claimant says in pain difficulty carrying out activity but was able sit move an walk without difficulty an carried out Msk without difficulty but also said I refused start of report.
 Any help I will loose points not writing report propoerly .

she says days bad but carried out msk 
but in anxiety wrote its good day when I didn’t say I said my condition gets worse through out the day 


any advise plz 
what proof do they need for aids 
why did she say I struggle need aid an support 
but took points away cause
 she saw me sitting standing walking 

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  • Alex_Scope
    Alex_Scope Posts: 2,422

    Scope community team

    edited January 23
    Hello @bi786 thanks for reaching out here on the community. Just so I've got this right, are you talking about the report for your recent PIP assessment?

    The report is only a recommendation for the decision maker, so they might decided to award you differently. You'll know the final decision when the letter comes through, and we can support you, whatever happens.

    You've talked about all the aids you use for some of the descriptors, is this what you've put down in your application? If you talked about how you need them to carry out different activities, and what would happen if you didn't have any aids then you'll have a good chance of being awarded points. 

    I know it's difficult, but try not to dwell on what the report says, as it isn't the final decision. If you feel like we can help with anything, please let us know and we'll help as best we can.

    And just so you know, I've marked your post as unanswered and edited the title, so that it can be found more easily.

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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 28,450 Disability Gamechanger
    This is one of the reasons why receiving a copy of the report doesn't help because it causes even more anxiety than you may have already been experiencing.
    The report is their opinion based on everything you sent and what you said during the assessment. They don't score anyone any points, they are just recommendations. The only person that can score points is a decision maker. Before the decision is made they will look at everything you sent as well as the assessment report.
    Just telling them you can't complete an activity isn't enough, you have to tell them why you can't do it and what happened the last time you attempted that activity.
    All you can do is wait for the decision, once it's made if you're not happy you can request the Mandatory Reconsideration. (MR) If it gets to this point, you can post back here and i'm sure someone will advise you further.
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Posts: 8,845 Connected
    I think it would help us if you could explain the chronology - the order in which things have happened. 

    You have started multiple previous threads about assessments and, for me, the chronology doesn’t make sense. You appear to have triggered at least one assessment through notifying of an alleged change of circumstances and in your recent posts you appear to have been completing review documents at the same time you had an assessment. I think we need a much clearer idea of what’s going on and why before anyone can offer anything coherent in response.




    as a few examples.

    There is also a suggestion you’re taking “evidence” to face to face assessments and the claiming it’s been disregarded. Unless you received this at the last minute then there’s no reason to take any evidence on the day and, realistically, if a HCP has limited time to get through multiple assessments in one day then yes of course they’re not going to read them. 

    The assessment is not there for you to tell you story or to throw a few medical reports at them. Your best chance of qualifying for PIP is knowing which points you ought to score and why and then addressing your PIP 2 to that. A lot of people think they have done enough by saying “I use aid x” or “I use aid x because I can’t do y without it”. 

    Unfortunately that will bring you nowhere near qualifying because it’s just assertion. You need a lot more detail. For example, some of the things you assume will count as aids may not. 

    Also aids not supplied on the NHS automatically allows a HCP to infer that you don’t necessarily need the aid if it’s not been prescribed. You will thus need to have explained where each aid came from and why not the NHS if it wasn’t. You then need to give one or two recent examples of what happens when you try to reliably perform the 12 PIP activities or real examples of when you need to use the aid and how that plays out. 

    The HCP is just one part of the evidence a DM considers. If your PIP 2 hasn’t really dealt with the above and you don’t know which points you’re going for any why then it’s very unlikely any assessment will go especially well unfortunately. If you torn up with extra stuff on the day which could have gone in with the PIP 2 then it’s even less likely snd that’s before we get into the fact that medical evidence often times doesn’t really say much to a HCP or DM about your abilities. Lots about what’s wrong and how it’s being treated but that’s not what PIP is about.

    Anyways, in the first instance, I think we need to know more about the order of things here.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 28,450 Disability Gamechanger
    I seen those threads Mike before commenting but as they were from 2019 i didn't link them to this as assumed this current thread was regarding a review of an existing claim. Though it does seem like the OP has had issues previously.
  • bi786
    bi786 Member Posts: 57 Connected
    Hello sorry 
    I should have mentioned 
    I had first claim Assasemnt back in 2019 I was awarded 0 points i then Did mr following this thread I got support , an I was awarded standard rate my report was sent back with my file an paper based Assasemnt was done again. Decision maker sent report back to capita an paper base Assasemnt was done in 2019 I got standard care and mobility 

    This was review  Assasemnt I attended I got pip report looking at that if dm follows it I will be awarded 2 points looking at the report an mobility  stay same .

    which shows I looses standard rate 

    On the form an at Assasemnt I explained everything an gave examples which was taken in consideration mentioned in the report in first few boxes but in the report each activity description box she hasn’t written any justification why she awarded me points  ticked box a 
    just says look at pa4 when I look in that section it shows I have difficulty use aids why I use them.
    but no points awarded.

    but she written I done msk so I can carry out activity 

    but also written done msk but left it causing pain 

    I will wait for dm decision an take it from there 

    thank you for reply’s 😊

  • Alex_Scope
    Alex_Scope Posts: 2,422

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    That's okay @bi786 can I ask, what do you mean by "msk" here:

    but she written I done msk so I can carry out activity 

    but also written done msk but left it causing pain

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  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Community Co-Production Group Posts: 12,265 Disability Gamechanger
    @Alex_Scope - MSK = Musculoskeletal i.e a musculoskeletal examination which, if the claimant agrees. may be part of a f2f PIP assessment.
  • Alex_Scope
    Alex_Scope Posts: 2,422

    Scope community team

    Thanks for clarifying @chiarieds I thought so, but just wanted to double check :)
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