Advice about planning and following a journey pip

nasturtium

Hello

I would like to request some advice please. With regards to planing and following a journey would a person who has a physical disability as well mental health problems be able to comment on there problems with using public transport like for example Bus journeys?

Also with not being able to get to a bus stop on time because of mobility problems be considered as part of planning and following a journey? It would take the person twice as long as an avarage able bodied person to get to the bus stop to catch the bus so they would have to leave the house much earlier than an able bodied person.

Thanks in advice for your assistance.

Alex_Alumni

Hi @nasturtium thanks for your query, I remember finding this a bit confusing as well when I did my PIP.

As far as I understand it (from what I remember), 'Planning and following a journey' has nothing to do with any physical capabilities, but I'm sure our members can help advise you in more detail. I've marked your post as unanswered to help everyone find it.

Let us know if we can help further

Alex

poppy123456

nasturtium said:

Also with not being able to get to a bus stop on time because of mobility problems be considered as part of planning and following a journey? It would take the person twice as long as an avarage able bodied person to get to the bus stop to catch the bus so they would have to leave the house much earlier than an able bodied person.

You would not score any points for that under following and planning a journey. 

If you have mental health issues, whether you would score points for following and planning a journey will depend on how those conditions affect you. 

nasturtium

@Alex_Scope Thank you for your reply. Yes it is a very confussing activity. Ironic it is targeted at the very people that can get easily confused.

@poppy123456 Thank you for your reply and confirming that it would not score points under the "Planing and following a Journey" activity. Would that be more "at home" so to speak under the moving around section?

Also whilst we are talking about bus Journeys and planing and following a journey. A person with Learning difficulties who would find it difficult to plan a route by understanding a bus timetable and would find it difficult if he had to plan and catch more than one bus to get to a destination would they score points for that because it is more a cognative problem than a physical problem.

Thank you in advance.

poppy123456

Moving around part of mobility applies to physical conditions.

Someone with a learning disability and no physical conditions then following and planning a journey would be applicable.

janer1967

@poppy123456 just out of interest what if you had both physical and mental disabilities 

Just asking out of curiosity as this always confuses me 

In my case I can't walk so come under moving around 

But also due to sight issues can no longer plan or undertake a journey on my own always need to be accompanied.  So would this come under planning a journey 

calcotti

janer1967 said:

@poppy123456 just out of interest what if you had both physical and mental disabilities 

Then you could score points in both categories.

janer1967 said: But also due to sight issues can no longer plan or undertake a journey on my own always need to be accompanied.  So would this come under planning a journey 

Sensory impairments such as sight issues are considered under planning a journey.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria#mobility-activities

Activity 11: This activity is designed for limitations on mobility deriving from mental health, cognitive and sensory impairments, whereas activity 12 is generally designed for limitations from physical problems. Cognitive impairment includes orientation (understanding of where, when and who the person is), attention, concentration and memory. Any issues with the ability to stand and then move are not applicable under activity 11, but under activity 12.

Activity 12: This activity considers a claimant’s physical ability to move around without severe discomfort, such as breathlessness, pain or fatigue. 

janer1967

Thanks everyone 

I get enhanced currently as 12 points for moving around till 2026 

At my last review my sight was not as bad as it is now so I only put it on for daily living eg reading , preparing food etc 

Since then I have gone blind in one eye and svi in other and registered cvi so will definitely try tor 10 year award at next review as I wasn't aware till reading on here about asking for award length 

More concerning is my lcwra which is due for review anytime and had to take to tribunal last time 

I was a novice then had never claimed benefits before so fingers crossed will not be the same battle 

But any tips would be appreciated as again I didn't have the vi at that time @Username_removed as this is your area of expertise 

janer1967

Sorry on reflection should have started new post my apologies to original poster for jumping on your post 

nasturtium

janer1967 said:

Sorry on reflection should have started new post my apologies to original poster for jumping on your post 

No need to appologies @janer1967

Just to make it clear I am helping someone with a PIP application and we are sorting out the information before he makes the claim so that there are no deadlines to keep. He suffers from Mental Health Problems, Learning Difficulties (Hence we are drafting out the form before we make the claim) and has Physical Disabilities.

calcotti

Username_removed said:.. there is little difference for abstinence with sight loss between a familiar or an unfamiliar route. 

Autocorrect again - it isn’t Lent yet!