PIP / ESA overlap. Is this true?

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bluefox
bluefox Online Community Member Posts: 647 Empowering
in PIP, DLA, ADP and AA
Hello,

I’ll probably drive everyone mad again but if you’ve got a question, ask it! That’s what I say. 

Is there an overlap between ESA and PIP. 

The benefitsandwork handbook suggests there is!

https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/?dlp=62eaa2fcda9d7

with many of the ESA descriptors likened to the PIP ones. This has got me concerned, as recently I discovered I scored 0 for going out on the ESA test yet scored mobility in PIP. 

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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    They are different benefits with different criteria. They maybe a very small overlap with some descriptors.
    sierrafox said:

     This has got me concerned, as recently I discovered I scored 0 for going out on the ESA
    This has been covered in a lot of detail on your other thread here. https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/94265/completing-two-personal-actions#latest I don't see any need to add anything further here.


  • Alex_Alumni
    Alex_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,538 Championing
    Has the above reply helped to reassure you @sierrafox? 

    As Poppy mentions some of the descriptors overlap, but PIP and ESA are looking to assess things in different contexts, one for day to day life (PIP), and the other for work (ESA), so what you scored in one descriptor could be different in the other assessment. 

    They are assessed separately from each other, and the assessment for one does not impact on the results of the other, does that make sense?
  • bluefox
    bluefox Online Community Member Posts: 647 Empowering
    Alex_Scope said:
    Has the above reply helped to reassure you @sierrafox? 

    As Poppy mentions some of the descriptors overlap, but PIP and ESA are looking to assess things in different contexts, one for day to day life (PIP), and the other for work (ESA), so what you scored in one descriptor could be different in the other assessment. 

    They are assessed separately from each other, and the assessment for one does not impact on the results of the other, does that make sense?
    I think so. Just not sure why I didn’t score points for going out on ESA. My review is due in December and I don’t want to be done for fraud because I didn’t have the knowledge or motivation at the time to contest it. 

    Also, with LCW. How is that scored? LCW and LCWRA? I’m still confused. 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    There’s no “going out” descriptor for LCWRA. sierrafox said
    Also, with LCW. How is that scored? LCW and LCWRA? I’m still confused. 
    The links to both descriptors have been given on your other thread.
    For LCW you need to score at least 15 points. For LCWRA you need meet at least one of the descriptors.
    I don’t understand the need for another thread going over the same questions.
  • bluefox
    bluefox Online Community Member Posts: 647 Empowering
    poppy123456 said:
    There’s no “going out” descriptor for LCWRA. sierrafox said
    Also, with LCW. How is that scored? LCW and LCWRA? I’m still confused. 
    The links to both descriptors have been given on your other thread.
    For LCW you need to score at least 15 points. For LCWRA you need meet at least one of the descriptors.
    I don’t understand the need for another thread going over the same questions.

    So if you score 15 points for LCW. They then look at LCWRA descriptors? 
  • Alex_Alumni
    Alex_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,538 Championing
    Okay @sierrafox, I know when there's a review coming that can be quite stressful. It might be helpful to think of a review as something which is making sure you've got the right support, rather than trying to catch you out. Does thinking of it that way help make it feel less stressful?

    I'm afraid how LCW/LCWRA is scored isn't my strong subject, so I can't answer your question directly. Have you been working with any professional advisers while you've been applying for benefits, as they might be better placed to run through things with you.

    It can be really unsettling when we don't know the answers to things, as the questions can really rattle round our heads. What helps to settle your mind most?
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    edited August 2022
    No…LCWRA has nothing to do with points. There’s nothing further to add here so I’m out. 
  • bluefox
    bluefox Online Community Member Posts: 647 Empowering
    poppy123456 said:
    No…
    Okay let’s say I lost my LCWRA in a review and I was LCW. What points would I need to score to get LCW?
  • bluefox
    bluefox Online Community Member Posts: 647 Empowering
    Alex_Scope said:
    Okay @sierrafox, I know when there's a review coming that can be quite stressful. It might be helpful to think of a review as something which is making sure you've got the right support, rather than trying to catch you out. Does thinking of it that way help make it feel less stressful?

    I'm afraid how LCW/LCWRA is scored isn't my strong subject, so I can't answer your question directly. Have you been working with any professional advisers while you've been applying for benefits, as they might be better placed to run through things with you.

    It can be really unsettling when we don't know the answers to things, as the questions can really rattle round our heads. What helps to settle your mind most?
    Every time I ring Citizens Advice I get this really rude woman who doesn’t talk me through my claims properly. She just moans. 

    I’m wondering if there’s anyone else I could approach. I’m also scared as well to lose my job. I’ve been self harming but realise working right now is probably not the best idea. But losing my job is making me self harm. Contradiction. 
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,001 Championing
    Alex_Scope said:I'm afraid how LCW/LCWRA is scored isn't my strong subject, so I can't answer your question directly. Have you been working with any professional advisers while you've been applying for benefits, as they might be better placed to run through things with you.
    This ground has already been covered repeatedly and extensively in numerous threads. there's nothing to add.
  • Alex_Alumni
    Alex_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,538 Championing
    @sierrafox I am so sorry to hear that the woman you spoke to at CA wasn't very supportive, and why that would only add to your anxiety. Experiences like that can have a really negative impact on how we feel.

    I know you've been looking into support for your mental health, so that's positive to hear. It's really good to check in with how you are feeling, and speak to people trained to best support you, like Samaritans for example. 

    I also know everything with benefits is a big worry for you at the moment, so something that will help for right now is putting your mental health first, and reaching out when you need to. The community team are here to support you :)

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