2 child benefit cap.

janer1967

@racyguy I agree but why would he want to stop when the system allows him to carry on spreading his love as you put it and the tax payers support his offspring 

racyguy

janer1967 said:

@racyguy I agree but why would he want to stop when the system allows him to carry on spreading his love as you put it and the tax payers support his offspring 

He may not want to stop - he probably has a loving nature - but if I had my way there is one certainty that would stop him - a pair of house bricks suitably positioned!!

Cartini

Biblioklept said:

Cartini said:

Biblioklept said:

What about those who could afford them and then life circumstances changed and now they've found themselves disabled / unable to work / made redundant / in a lower paid job?

I`ve already explained that my comment is based on financial security at the point of deciding to have children.  Circumstances do change, some for the good and some for the bad.  For the latter, the parents will have to make difficult decisions.

I think that's what I'm struggling to understand. So if a family is quite comfortable financially and decides to have 3+ children because they do the sums and decide they can afford it, but then the worst should happen, why would anyone think it's a good idea for them to only receive support, even short term, for just 2 of them? 

Because a line has to be drawn somewhere.   It`s not the responsibility of the state, ergo taxpayer, to fund someone having children. 

Karen7788

Children born now will be paying the future pensions of todays 50 to 70+ year olds. 

janer1967

@racyguy I would love to be a fly on the wall and watch that 

Cartini

Karen7788 said:

Children born now will be paying the future pensions of todays 50 to 70+ year olds. 

They will, just as my taxes go towards those drawing their state pension today.

racyguy

janer1967 said:

@racyguy I would love to be a fly on the wall and watch that 

Would you? It would get a little messy.
Mind you quite a few years ago at my local the landlord found himself in err difficulties after his wife super glued his foreskin to his err 'man member' and then to his tummy due to his infidelity. He was not happy and had to go to A&E to have the two parts set free. Nasty & painful!
His wife walked out shortly after.
  

janer1967

Nice one not for him though I hope it made him think about the consequences 

I have karma my ex is now 53 years old and living with 5 kids all under age of 10 two of them under 3 

Sue_Alumni

Good morning, 

I understand that a private member's bill called Universal Credit (Removal of Two Child Limit had its second reading  in the House of Lords this July.  The bill was introduced by the Bishop of Durham as the patron of the North East Child Poverty Commission.   After a second reading of a bill it is my understanding that the bill goes to committeee stage where a detailed line by line examination and discussion takes place. 

Karen7788

Yes, I think you’re correct @Sue_Scope, I don’t think a date has been set yet for the committee stage. 

calcotti

Hadn’t heard of that, Sue. Found more information here
https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/lln-2022-0019

Sue_Alumni

Thank you that's interesting 

jamrumples

I cannot even believe what I’ve read, about benefit street Britain. Especially considering that this forum is based on being on benefitsz so very small minded. WOW. 

racyguy

jamrumples said:

I cannot even believe what I’ve read, about benefit street Britain. Especially considering that this forum is based on being on benefitsz so very small minded. WOW. 

I think what was said was to keep in place a restriction that was abused by many young teen girls who were quite open in saying that 'the more kids I have the more money I make out of the benefit system'.
In addition housing policy was at the time that if a young unmarried girl of say 21 who had 4 children she would have had a greater chance of securing a council property as well as being given more housing benefit to pay for a bigger home.

If you want a free for all and allow people to manipulate the benefit system carry on.

Fragile

jamrumples said:

Does anybody know if this is going to be changed? Any of the benefit caps? I think there has been voted on it before but can’t be sure. I just wondered if anybody had any inkling as to whether the government were going to scrap this and help choldrem in our country not go to bed Hungry. 

I wish they would I didn't even know of it until recent I don't get why they did it. Why does a baby not deserve support and security from the government. Everyone should have the safety net. They know child in poverty is less likely so succeed I guess they do it purposely to keep people down

WelshBlue

Fragile said:

 They know child in poverty is less likely so succeed I guess they do it purposely to keep people down

I don't agree that child poverty is done on 'purpose' or it's done to keep people down.

When I first started claiming benefits both my kids were still in Secondary Education and money was really, really tight ... this didn't stop them applying themselves to achieve.  Were both A* students and both Uni Graduates.  We went without to give them the best we could, to focus on their future

I didn't have an issue with going without, but I did have an issue with the school exploiting their hard work to manipulate the figures ... look at us ... benefit kids being taught well sort of thing.  And it does happen

On one hand I don't agree with benefit caps or no help after 2 kids ... on the other I can sort of see the need for it.  It's a shame the majority in real need have to suffer for those just working/milking the system and getting those in need a bad name

An emotive subject and in no way is my post meant to offend