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LCWRA descriptor 11

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bluefox
bluefox Community member Posts: 640 Pioneering
Hello,

I have read various guides but I’m still a little lost with this descriptor:

11. Initiating and completing personal action (which means planning, organisation, problem solving, prioritising or switching tasks).
Cannot, due to impaired mental function, reliably initiate or complete at least 2 sequential personal actions.

So how does this apply? What examples are best. 

Is it:
Someone who doesn’t wash daily and needs to be reminded to do this due to depression/anxiety
Someone who can’t leave the house to go shopping, so someone has to do the shopping for them
Someone who doesn’t cook their main meals with fresh ingredients, someone does their cooking
Someone who doesn’t start or complete household tasks, or starts them but doesn’t complete them due to fatigue and depression
Someone who needs help paying their rent and bills, going through what’s needed to be paid etc. 

Also: what if the person despite all of the above can make an online consultation with a doctor to discuss health issues. Does this mean they won’t meet the descriptor? 

Online consultation is not picking up the phone. It’s writing into an online forum and then the doctors decide if you need an appointment or not. 

I have read that it is quite a contentious descriptor and tribunals avoid it at all costs. And that it shouldn’t be about simple tasks you can do easily but more complex ones. 

Any advice would be great for future reviews. 

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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 56,998 Disability Gamechanger
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    Tasks such as washing/dressing/cooking/housework etc etc. 
    An online discussion with a doctor doesn’t mean you no longer meet that descriptor. 
    We’ve been here before and have spoke about this at great length. There’s really nothing more to add than what’s already been said. 
    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • bluefox
    bluefox Community member Posts: 640 Pioneering
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    Tasks such as washing/dressing/cooking/housework etc etc. 
    An online discussion with a doctor doesn’t mean you no longer meet that descriptor. 
    We’ve been here before and have spoke about this at great length. There’s really nothing more to add than what’s already been said. 
    But what if you were having online discussions with doctors prior to the work capability meeting. Then again, I don’t remember being asked about phone calls with doctors. They knew I was trialling some CBT. 

    Does making an appointment regularly with a doctor since the descriptor was awarded and before make it null and void?


  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 56,998 Disability Gamechanger
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    bluefox said:
    Tasks such as washing/dressing/cooking/housework etc etc. 
    An online discussion with a doctor doesn’t mean you no longer meet that descriptor. 
    We’ve been here before and have spoke about this at great length. There’s really nothing more to add than what’s already 

    Does making an appointment regularly with a doctor since the descriptor was awarded and before make it null and void?


    No.
    I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.
    If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
  • bluefox
    bluefox Community member Posts: 640 Pioneering
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    bluefox said:
    Tasks such as washing/dressing/cooking/housework etc etc. 
    An online discussion with a doctor doesn’t mean you no longer meet that descriptor. 
    We’ve been here before and have spoke about this at great length. There’s really nothing more to add than what’s already 

    Does making an appointment regularly with a doctor since the descriptor was awarded and before make it null and void?


    No.

    Have you seen the guidance in the WCA book? It’s really confusing. 

    I must admit though since my ADHD diagnosis, I finally know why I struggle with task initiation and must bring this up at review. 

    There’s times I’ve probably got dressed before showering which I know is odd but maybe worth mentioning
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