Ready for Rishi?

Tori_Scope

Rishi Sunak has become the new leader of the Conservative Party, and so will become the next Prime Minister.

How do you feel about that?

racyguy

First in the firing line will be all of the Welfare and add on payments.
Will we get 10.1% increase on all benefits?
Will the fuel cap only apply to those receiving a means tested benefit from next April?
Will there be any more COL payments after the current tranche run their course?

leeCal

I’m pleased that Rishi won, I think the city like him and that could mean a drop in interest rates for mortgages. He has a massive job on his hands but hopefully he can put together a good team to support him and advise him on all the pressing issues. Good luck to him, and by extension ...us all.

Cartini

woodbine said:

racyguy said:

First in the firing line will be all of the Welfare and add on payments.
Will we get 10.1% increase on all benefits?
Will the fuel cap only apply to those receiving a means tested benefit from next April?
Will there be any more COL payments after the current tranche run their course?

The answer to that is probably as he committed to it as chancellor this year, as for fuel cap and col payments going forward time as ever will tell.
I'm not certain about Rishi, he's a clever guy and no doubt hardworking and he provided support during covid to the tune of £billions, but can he unite his party? I doubt that to be honest.

But here we are our 3rd PM this year and the 2nd this Autumn, the last elected by 80,000 tory members this one by just 200 Tory mp's, they are laughing at democracy, he has no mandate to govern, if I'm honest today he looked like a hedgehog caught in a cars headlights.

He would create some credibility with the electorate if he called an election now, but I suppose that would be like a Turkey voting for Christmas 🎄

At a General Election, we don`t vote for the Prime Minister, we vote for the party.  The "winning" party leader then becomes the Prime Minister.  To that end, he has a mandate.  Whether or not a voter votes for a party because he or she "likes" the leader or whether or not a voter votes for the party because of their manifesto is irrelevant.

I`ve seen more maturity in the Marx brothers than I`ve seen with the Tories since slimy back Sunak was appointed chancellor.  That two-faced, back-stabbing, slime ball should never be allowed anywhere near No10.  Unfortunately he is now in No10 and I, personally, don`t think that is a good thing.

He`s a "poor little rich boy" married to an excessively rich woman so, despite what he says, he won`t really be in touch with how the nation feels.

For the sake of this great country of ours, I hope I am wrong.

leeCal

@Cartini said
  At a General Election, we don`t vote for the Prime Minister, we vote for the party. 

In essence this is true but...if only that was how things usually worked 🤣 Which is why I believe Rishi is the right choice for now but he’ll be very hard pressed to win them the next election, he simply lacks gravitas, but we’ll see.
Its very often a personality contest with just a smidgen of manifesto promises. The latter being easily broken in my experience as a mug punter.

Cartini

leeCal said:

@Cartini said
  At a General Election, we don`t vote for the Prime Minister, we vote for the party. 

In essence this is true but...if only that was how things usually worked 🤣 Which is why I believe Rishi is the right choice for now but he’ll be very hard pressed to win them the next election, he simply lacks gravitas, but we’ll see.
Its very often a personality contest with just a smidgen of manifesto promises. The latter being easily broken in my experience as a mug punter.

We`re all mug punters because none of us win.  The winners are the MPs at £89K a year paid for by us

trevorcohen

Cartini said:

leeCal said:

@Cartini said
  At a General Election, we don`t vote for the Prime Minister, we vote for the party. 

In essence this is true but...if only that was how things usually worked 🤣 Which is why I believe Rishi is the right choice for now but he’ll be very hard pressed to win them the next election, he simply lacks gravitas, but we’ll see.
Its very often a personality contest with just a smidgen of manifesto promises. The latter being easily broken in my experience as a mug punter.

We`re all mug punters because none of us win.  The winners are the MPs at £89K a year paid for by us

Actually, they get more than that. When Boris was in power, he gave all MP's a 10% pay rise. At the time the starting salary for an MP was £80k, so they got an £8k pay rise while the rest of us got nothing. Then let’s not forget that if the average MP is now on £88k and the 45% rate has been abolished to 40% so that gives them a saving in tax payments of around £4.4k a year, leaving them with more money in their pockets of around £12.4k better off.  

Cartini

trevorcohen said:

Cartini said:

leeCal said:

@Cartini said
  At a General Election, we don`t vote for the Prime Minister, we vote for the party. 

In essence this is true but...if only that was how things usually worked 🤣 Which is why I believe Rishi is the right choice for now but he’ll be very hard pressed to win them the next election, he simply lacks gravitas, but we’ll see.
Its very often a personality contest with just a smidgen of manifesto promises. The latter being easily broken in my experience as a mug punter.

We`re all mug punters because none of us win.  The winners are the MPs at £89K a year paid for by us

Actually, they get more than that. When Boris was in power, he gave all MP's a 10% pay rise. At the time the starting salary for an MP was £80k, so they got an £8k pay rise while the rest of us got nothing. Then let’s not forget that if the average MP is now on £88k and the 45% rate has been abolished to 40% so that gives them a saving in tax payments of around £4.4k a year, leaving them with more money in their pockets of around £12.4k better off.  

The removal of the 45% tax band hase now been cancelled, but I get your point.

Cartini

woodbine said:

Whilst it's true to say we don't elect a PM the reallity is different, most voters haven't a clue what their local candidates stand for or who they are, so we vote for the party leaders, the ones we see day in day out during the election, the ones who now debate on TV and appear on endless radio and tv shows. it's the cult of personality that has taken over UK politics .

Clem Attlee perhaps the best PM of the last century was a very quiet unassuming man with the personality of a wet fish, but he got things done, because he delegated, todays residents of no.10 want their mucky finger prints over everything as the trust no one, as we have seen this year.

1936 was known as the year of "three kings" 2022 will be known as the year of "three prime ministers"

The reality may seem different, but the voting process doesn`t run to vote the PM in.  The leader of the party that gets the most seats becomes PM.

I hear what you are saying, but I think people are becoming more and more aware of who their MP is (certainly in the circles I move around in).

ByTheSea

@Cartini quite true, we were very aware of our Lib Dem MP and they did in fact help many people personally, when we lost them to a Conservative we have not seen them for dust, our town is renowned for her disappearing act !   

OSCAR1

Sorry don,t trust any mp anymore they only look after themselves people with disabilities should not have to go through gruelling assesements just to get money to live off none of them live in the real worls

Emma52

Hope can be one of the most empowering feelings, but having hope with any Conservative leader is in my own personal opinion false hope.  They have proved time and time again that they can not be trusted. Conservatives are Capitalists and that just means the rich becoming richer and the poor and less able becoming poorer. We only have to look at the history books to see how true this is.

racyguy

OSCAR1 said:

Sorry don,t trust any mp anymore they only look after themselves people with disabilities should not have to go through gruelling assesements just to get money to live off none of them live in the real worls

The reason why assessments have to be carried out is because there are some claimants that clearly lie or misrepresent their difficulties. These claims have to be weeded out somehow.
You could say that the minority of chancers have caused the majority of innocents to have to put up with these assessments.
I know of one individual, a family member, that has everybody including his GP convinced that he has little or no mobility and needs round the clock care. His only issues arise out of his Cocaine, Alcohol and Heroin addictions. I found out yesterday that he has just taken on a new Mini Cooper S from Motability (the deposit being obtained through his dealing activities). It won't be long before it has to be handed back when and if he gets stopped by the police and has to comply with a breath and drug test.

bart70

As soon as he said we had some hard times ahead of us, you know it’s the disabled and pensioners who are going to lose out first. The energy price cap reduced to 6months so come April we’re facing huge increase for electricity and gas. With a 5.5% increase rather than 10% in our benefits we’re going to be in a worse position. Food, fuel etc increasing it’s getting harder to budget. I don’t see any more cost of living payments been made given the £40billion they say they need to save. I don’t think it matters who is in the drivers seat, disabled and pensioners are a afterthought. Throw a few crumbs to keep us happy now and then. We’ve seen the panic on here with people depending on the small payments to make ends meet. I don’t think the next 12 months are going to be easy for any of us. 

racyguy

bart70 said:

As soon as he said we had some hard times ahead of us, you know it’s the disabled and pensioners who are going to lose out first. The energy price cap reduced to 6months so come April we’re facing huge increase for electricity and gas. With a 5.5% increase rather than 10% in our benefits we’re going to be in a worse position. Food, fuel etc increasing it’s getting harder to budget. I don’t see any more cost of living payments been made given the £40billion they say they need to save. I don’t think it matters who is in the drivers seat, disabled and pensioners are a afterthought. Throw a few crumbs to keep us happy now and then. We’ve seen the panic on here with people depending on the small payments to make ends meet. I don’t think the next 12 months are going to be easy for any of us. 

We,ve been through it before when much higher rates of inflation and interest rates were involved. We managed and came out the other side.

Wibbles

racyguy said:

First in the firing line will be all of the Welfare and add on payments.
Will we get 10.1% increase on all benefits?
Will the fuel cap only apply to those receiving a means tested benefit from next April?
Will there be any more COL payments after the current tranche run their course?

I understand that "Disability benefits" MUST rise by CPI (10.1%) - this is set in the rules and can't be changed by any corrupt government - as for "normal" benefits - no idea !

Wibbles

trevorcohen said:

Cartini said:

leeCal said:

@Cartini said
  At a General Election, we don`t vote for the Prime Minister, we vote for the party. 

In essence this is true but...if only that was how things usually worked 🤣 Which is why I believe Rishi is the right choice for now but he’ll be very hard pressed to win them the next election, he simply lacks gravitas, but we’ll see.
Its very often a personality contest with just a smidgen of manifesto promises. The latter being easily broken in my experience as a mug punter.

We`re all mug punters because none of us win.  The winners are the MPs at £89K a year paid for by us

Actually, they get more than that. When Boris was in power, he gave all MP's a 10% pay rise. At the time the starting salary for an MP was £80k, so they got an £8k pay rise while the rest of us got nothing. Then let’s not forget that if the average MP is now on £88k and the 45% rate has been abolished to 40% so that gives them a saving in tax payments of around £4.4k a year, leaving them with more money in their pockets of around £12.4k better off.  

What really gets ny goat is that that Truss woman is entitled to claiim £115k pa for the rest of her life as ex-PM - And I bet that she will (and does).

racyguy

Wibbles said:

trevorcohen said:

What really gets ny goat is that that Truss woman is entitled to claim £115k pa for the rest of her life as ex-PM - And I bet that she will (and does).

Much the same as everybody else does that is entitled to including those claiming Welfare Benefits.