Climate change activists..

Wibbles

Do these "well meaning" activists demonstrate in China, India and Russia or just the easy targets ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-63599932

66Mustang

I agree that they do cause chaos here because a lot of Western countries allow them to do what they want without punishment.

However just as food for thought...could liken them to the Suffragettes. They caused chaos about 100 years ago and everyone called them idiots, but now we agree that they had a good cause. Maybe in 100 years we will have the same attitude towards climate activists?

I still think we are too soft on the climate activists though!!!

Wibbles

66Mustang said:

I agree that they do cause chaos here because a lot of Western countries allow them to do what they want without punishment.

However just as food for thought...could liken them to the Suffragettes. They caused chaos about 100 years ago and everyone called them idiots, but now we agree that they had a good cause. Maybe in 100 years we will have the same attitude towards climate activists?

I still think we are too soft on the climate activists though!!!

So what punishment should they have ?

Prison without the possibility of parole or worse ?

66Mustang

I won't pretend to be intelligent enough to know what the solution is.

My priority would be to remove them and get traffic or whatever other service they disrupt moving again as swiftly as possible.

But maybe there's a perfectly valid reason that the authorities take their time.

Like I said I am ignorant and accept this.

Wibbles

In my opinion - global warming is going to kill us all eventually !!

But they are assuming that if we reduce OUR carbon emissions - the UK will be fine

They ignore the fact that the atmosphere is not fixed - it moves around the earth - so its a global problem

China are STILL building and comissioning COAL fired power stations

China has 1100 coal fired power stations and have built another 14 since they vowed not to add any more

India has 285

US has 240

Russia has 72

UK has 3

Doesn't that say something about where Greta Thunberg should be venting her anger ?

66Mustang

I don't think they are under the illusion that the UK (and other smaller countries) is the major problem globally, I just think they want us to set an example.

Whether the superpowers will follow a little country's lead is another debate!

Wibbles

66Mustang said:

I don't think they are under the illusion that the UK (and other smaller countries) is the major problem globally, I just think they want us to set an example.

Whether the superpowers will follow a little country's lead is another debate!

But why is it always OUR responsibility?
Same with refugees (legal or not)
It's not our responsibility to fix the world 

Cartini

Wibbles said:

66Mustang said:

I don't think they are under the illusion that the UK (and other smaller countries) is the major problem globally, I just think they want us to set an example.

Whether the superpowers will follow a little country's lead is another debate!

But why is it always OUR responsibility?
Same with refugees (legal or not)
It's not our responsibility to fix the world 

Exactly!  My thoughts too.

Cartini

Wibbles said:

66Mustang said:

I agree that they do cause chaos here because a lot of Western countries allow them to do what they want without punishment.

However just as food for thought...could liken them to the Suffragettes. They caused chaos about 100 years ago and everyone called them idiots, but now we agree that they had a good cause. Maybe in 100 years we will have the same attitude towards climate activists?

I still think we are too soft on the climate activists though!!!

So what punishment should they have ?

Prison without the possibility of parole or worse ?

I`d like to give them the cat 'o nine tails then keel haul them.

Cartini

woodbine said:

Wibbles said:

66Mustang said:

I don't think they are under the illusion that the UK (and other smaller countries) is the major problem globally, I just think they want us to set an example.

Whether the superpowers will follow a little country's lead is another debate!

But why is it always OUR responsibility?
Same with refugees (legal or not)
It's not our responsibility to fix the world 

I would question that assumption we did after all cause many of the problem the world faces, but don't get me started on refugees/assylum seekers we take a tiny fraction of the number taken by other countries and think we are hard done by...we aren't, the problem we have with them is purely political nothing to do with numbers, never has been.

As and aside I remember as a kid in the 60's walking to school in a smog so thick you could barely see your hands.

I disagree with your statement.  We caused some problems, yes, but we`re also responsible for laying down the underlying infrastructure that some countries still use (communication / train etc).  We are also responsible for introducing irrigation in India which resulted in 8 more times land being used to provide food.

I also agree with Wibbles - it`s not our responsibility to fix the world.

Your attitude to those coming over by boats (42000 this year alone) might change when the government cuts disability spending so they can spend more on those who arrive illegally.  According to papers (yes, I know - the media), the latest figure is almost £7 million a day to put illegals up in hotels.  That money could be better used to provide more benefits for not only the disabled section of society, but those on low incomes.

From previous comments I`ve seen of yours, you and I will never agree - such is the way of views and opinions.

Cartini

Biblioklept said:

Some of the suggestions on here are ... interesting!!

It upsets and frustrates me the havoc being caused by activists but I don't fully disagree with why they're doing it. Change never comes from playing it safe and not making some noise, I love what Mustang said about the Suffragettes. 

Making activism and protesting be something punished by prison with no parole or TORTURE is a bit extreme and a very slippery slope and I just worry people think this way.

They've already made it illegal to protest and even journalists face prison for writing anything that can 'embarrass' the government. How much more power do we want to give them?

Nobody said anything about torture.  However, for the mindless idiots causing mayhem and heartache, I`m all for the idea

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Wibbles

So COP27 was a success ?

What about China and Russia? 
Do you honestly believe that they will follow the "rules"? 

And what about all of the emissions from the 100's of planes used by attendees at the conference? 

Wibbles

woodbine said:

Wibbles said:

So COP27 was a success ?

What about China and Russia? 
Do you honestly believe that they will follow the "rules"? 

And what about all of the emissions from the 100's of planes used by attendees at the conference? 

I'm not sure how you expected delegates to get to COP27 ? As for Rusfsia who cares ?

Russia is second only to China in producing CO2
As for the CO2 produced by delegates - what about zoom?