Hi, my name is alibob65! It's a disgrace to be waiting this long
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rebel11 said:Petitions are only informative if you believe in a particular petition. I don`t believe in this one therefore it`s not informative to me.Had I applied for PIP based on medical documentation alone, I wouldn`t have been awarded. The reason? I`m a patient of a practice that has several surgeries throughout the city, with 2 or 3 Drs in each one. The practice has a patient base of 30,000; there`s absolutely no way any one of those Drs will know a patient well enough to understand how a person`s ailments affect him or her on a day-to-day basis.
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Cartini said:rebel11 said:Petitions are only informative if you believe in a particular petition. I don`t believe in this one therefore it`s not informative to me.Had I applied for PIP based on medical documentation alone, I wouldn`t have been awarded. The reason? I`m a patient of a practice that has several surgeries throughout the city, with 2 or 3 Drs in each one. The practice has a patient base of 30,000; there`s absolutely no way any one of those Drs will know a patient well enough to understand how a person`s ailments affect him or her on a day-to-day basis.What the petition is saying is that some claimants should be removed from having to have assessments completely. As to whether your condition would be a 'no assessment condition', these are specific conditions which the Dr's at your practice would be fully aware of because you would have been diagnosed with the condition.
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PIP doesn’t have anything to do with a diagnosis. A letter from a GP is never the best evidence to send because they don’t spend anytime with you to know you wash/dress/undress/make budgeting decisions etc etc.
Everyone is affected differently by these conditions and you won’t get 2 people the same. That link is typical media rubbish where they give false impressions.2 -
My post is about the petition. Diagnose condition - removal from having assessments.poppy123456 said:PIP doesn’t have anything to do with a diagnosis. A letter from a GP is never the best evidence to send because they don’t spend anytime with you to know you wash/dress/undress/make budgeting decisions etc etc.
Everyone is affected differently by these conditions and you won’t get 2 people the same. That link is typical media rubbish where they give false impressions.0 -
I have the same diagnosis as someone I know, my life changed for the worst 5 years ago they carry on as if nothing is different. We both have the same life long incurable illness so should they be entitled to claim PIP even if they don't struggle and need help?
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rebel11 said:
My post is about the petition. Diagnose condition - removal from having assessments.poppy123456 said:PIP doesn’t have anything to do with a diagnosis. A letter from a GP is never the best evidence to send because they don’t spend anytime with you to know you wash/dress/undress/make budgeting decisions etc etc.
Everyone is affected differently by these conditions and you won’t get 2 people the same. That link is typical media rubbish where they give false impressions.You`ve completely missed, or ignored, that PIP isn`t about a diagnosis, it`s about how that condition affects a person. I`ve been diagnosed with Asthma, lumbar spinal stenosis, lumbar and cervical spondylosis, bilateral tinnitus, bilateral hearing damage and a poor memory due to brain damage 20 years ago. That doesn`t tell anyone the difficulties I face on a daily basis, it only informs the reader of the conditions that have been diagnosed.Had I applied for PIP on the basis of my conditions, I wouldn`t have been awarded anything because they don`t tell DWP the daily struggles I live with.3 -
So what about people who have difficulties with the activities of daily life looked at with PIP, &/or mobility problems, but don't as yet have a medical diagnosis? They would then be at a disadvantage compared to those that do have a diagnosis. This is currently not the case as it's not based on any diagnoses.Having worked as a physio & having seen many patients with the commonest disorders, I can only again agree with poppy that no 2 people with the same disorder will likely be affected the same. I can also say the same of my own children & grandchildren, as we all share the same genetic disorder, but again are all affected differently.And who would decide which diagnosis would mean no assessment was needed?3
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Wrong, if one of your conditions is recognized as a diagnosed condition (which is what the petition is asking the Government to consider / do, they you wouldn't need to be assessed.Cartini said:rebel11 said:
My post is about the petition. Diagnose condition - removal from having assessments.poppy123456 said:PIP doesn’t have anything to do with a diagnosis. A letter from a GP is never the best evidence to send because they don’t spend anytime with you to know you wash/dress/undress/make budgeting decisions etc etc.
Everyone is affected differently by these conditions and you won’t get 2 people the same. That link is typical media rubbish where they give false impressions.You`ve completely missed, or ignored, that PIP isn`t about a diagnosis, it`s about how that condition affects a person. I`ve been diagnosed with Asthma, lumbar spinal stenosis, lumbar and cervical spondylosis, bilateral tinnitus, bilateral hearing damage and a poor memory due to brain damage 20 years ago. That doesn`t tell anyone the difficulties I face on a daily basis, it only informs the reader of the conditions that have been diagnosed.Had I applied for PIP on the basis of my conditions, I wouldn`t have been awarded anything because they don`t tell DWP the daily struggles I live with.
My post is about the petition. Diagnose condition - removal from having assessments.
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I know how you are feeling because I got assessed for learning disabilities and still waiting on the dignose0
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chiarieds said:So what about people who have difficulties with the activities of daily life looked at with PIP, &/or mobility problems, but don't as yet have a medical diagnosis? They would then be at a disadvantage compared to those that do have a diagnosis. This is currently not the case as it's not based on any diagnoses.Having worked as a physio & having seen many patients with the commonest disorders, I can only again agree with poppy that no 2 people with the same disorder will likely be affected the same. I can also say the same of my own children & grandchildren, as we all share the same genetic disorder, but again are all affected differently.And who would decide which diagnosis would mean no assessment was needed?
No doubt the DWP with the aid of the NHS and others, specialist etc could gather to do that.
The DWP probably has that information at hand.
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You couldn’t be more wrong here. DWP most certainly do not have anything to hand unless you send the evidence to support your claim. They very rarely contact anyone for any evidence and if they do the chances of them requesting your medical records is even more slim.rebel11 said:
No doubt the DWP with the aid of the NHS and others, specialist etc could gather to do that.
The DWP probably has that information at hand.It’s the claimants responsibility to prove they qualify and not DWP.2 -
Diagnose condition, removal from assessment would mean people that 'do not have any problems' would be able to claim, and those that don't get a diagnosis for years miss out on the extra help.
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Ivikingqueen said:
TrueDiagnose condition, removal from assessment would mean people that 'do not have any problems' would be able to claim, and those that don't get a diagnosis for years miss out on the extra help.
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You haven't understood what I've posted, they already have data on which conditions could potentially be recognised.poppy123456 said:
You couldn’t be more wrong here. DWP most certainly do not have anything to hand unless you send the evidence to support your claim. They very rarely contact anyone for any evidence and if they do the chances of them requesting your medical records is even more slim.rebel11 said:
No doubt the DWP with the aid of the NHS and others, specialist etc could gather to do that.
The DWP probably has that information at hand.It’s the claimants responsibility to prove they qualify and not DWP.0 -
rebel11 said:
You haven't understood what I've posted, they already have data on which conditions could potentially be recognised.poppy123456 said:
You couldn’t be more wrong here. DWP most certainly do not have anything to hand unless you send the evidence to support your claim. They very rarely contact anyone for any evidence and if they do the chances of them requesting your medical records is even more slim.rebel11 said:
No doubt the DWP with the aid of the NHS and others, specialist etc could gather to do that.
The DWP probably has that information at hand.It’s the claimants responsibility to prove they qualify and not DWP.No they do not! What on earth makes you think this? PIP isn't about a diagnosis. Information regarding any specific medical condition/diagnosis is not helpful in the slightest.I claimed PIP for my daughter in 2017 before she had any confirmed diagnosis. She was awarded Enhanced for both parts. There's also other members here without a diagnosis that also successfully claim PIP.Maybe you should do some research because having some understanding certainly helps.4 -
rebel11 said:
You haven't understood what I've posted, they already have data on which conditions could potentially be recognised.poppy123456 said:
You couldn’t be more wrong here. DWP most certainly do not have anything to hand unless you send the evidence to support your claim. They very rarely contact anyone for any evidence and if they do the chances of them requesting your medical records is even more slim.rebel11 said:
No doubt the DWP with the aid of the NHS and others, specialist etc could gather to do that.
The DWP probably has that information at hand.It’s the claimants responsibility to prove they qualify and not DWP.That`s not what you said earlier:"No doubt the DWP with the aid of the NHS and others, specialist etc could gather to do that.
The DWP probably has that information at hand."
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vikingqueen said:Diagnose condition, removal from assessment would mean people that 'do not have any problems' would be able to claim, and those that don't get a diagnosis for years miss out on the extra help.
People with the condition would have problems doing various day to day tasks, that would be the point, so they should be removed from assessments.
'and those that don't get a diagnosis for years miss out on the extra help', it's up to the individual to get a diagnosis if they are having health concerns. Best leave that one there.0 -
You still do not understand, yes they have, 'since PIP was introduced 4.5 million initial decisions following an assessment have been made up to March 2022'.poppy123456 said:rebel11 said:
You haven't understood what I've posted, they already have data on which conditions could potentially be recognised.poppy123456 said:
You couldn’t be more wrong here. DWP most certainly do not have anything to hand unless you send the evidence to support your claim. They very rarely contact anyone for any evidence and if they do the chances of them requesting your medical records is even more slim.rebel11 said:
No doubt the DWP with the aid of the NHS and others, specialist etc could gather to do that.
The DWP probably has that information at hand.It’s the claimants responsibility to prove they qualify and not DWP.No they do not! What on earth makes you think this? PIP isn't about a diagnosis. Information regarding any specific medical condition/diagnosis is not helpful in the slightest.I claimed PIP for my daughter in 2017 before she had any confirmed diagnosis. She was awarded Enhanced for both parts. There's also other members here without a diagnosis that also successfully claim PIP.Maybe you should do some research because having some understanding certainly helps.0 -
So where is the 'inconsistency'? Then I can 'clarify' for you.Cartini said:rebel11 said:
You haven't understood what I've posted, they already have data on which conditions could potentially be recognised.poppy123456 said:
You couldn’t be more wrong here. DWP most certainly do not have anything to hand unless you send the evidence to support your claim. They very rarely contact anyone for any evidence and if they do the chances of them requesting your medical records is even more slim.rebel11 said:
No doubt the DWP with the aid of the NHS and others, specialist etc could gather to do that.
The DWP probably has that information at hand.It’s the claimants responsibility to prove they qualify and not DWP.That`s not what you said earlier:"No doubt the DWP with the aid of the NHS and others, specialist etc could gather to do that.
The DWP probably has that information at hand."0
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