Bundle in the post

giles_74

My bundle is due hopefully this week, reading though a few threads it seems they tend to make mistakes regularly, i tried replying to a comment earlier but didn’t look like it was posted properly, just shows as a separate post. They said the complete opposite of what i’d put on my form regarding meds and walking distance like on a post i seen earlier from Poppy.

I saved a digital copy of the form i filled out so it shows exactly what i put on the form, i have their reply where said mistakes show, backed up with medical evidence etc etc, all sent to the courts.


It seems if you stick to your guns the courts will just confirm what you’ve been fighting for all along DWP must hope you’ll buckle and duck out of the proceedings, i still remain positive.

Sounds like when bundle arrives you pick through same mistakes again and wait for the trial, i chose not to attend, apparently this process is much quicker, won’t hold my breath.

L_Volunteer

You have done such a great job at reaching out to us @giles_74. I can hear the frustration in them saying the complete opposite of what you'd put on your form. 

It saves positive that you saved a digital copy of the form though - as a source of evidence. Even better that you have annotated it to highlight their mistakes and backed it up with medical evidence.  

Well done you. Glad you're sticking to your guns. Let's hope your fight is worth it. In the meantime, please don't hesitate to let us know if we can do anything else to support you.

We are all here for you and listening to you. Take care for now and we will look forward to, hopefully, hearing from you again soon 

poppy123456

giles_74 said:

Sounds like when bundle arrives you pick through same mistakes again and wait for the trial, i chose not to attend, apparently this process is much quicker, won’t hold my breath.

One thing you should try to remember, it's not a court and you're definitely not on trial. It's a benefits Tribunal. Some hearings maybe held in a court building but they are very different to a court.

I'd advise you to change that paper based hearing to either telephone, video or face to face because paper based hearings have a very low success rate of between 5-8%.

Choosing one of the other 3 options will give a much higher chance of a decision in your favour because it jumps to around a 70% success rate.

It's also never too late to get expert advice and eveb representation from an advice agency near you. https://advicelocal.uk/

giles_74

Ok thanks for the advice i’ll give it a whirl, yeah i get it’s a different process, they’re there as an independent body to look at the inconsistencies. Quite a few mistakes they made stating the opposite of what’s on my initial claim form. I feel confident on that alone and glad i saved a digital copy when prompted to as only proves their mistakes, it’s no wonder it always goes to trial.

giles_74

L_Volunteer said:

You have done such a great job at reaching out to us @giles_74. I can hear the frustration in them saying the complete opposite of what you'd put on your form. 

It saves positive that you saved a digital copy of the form though - as a source of evidence. Even better that you have annotated it to highlight their mistakes and backed it up with medical evidence.  

Well done you. Glad you're sticking to your guns. Let's hope your fight is worth it. In the meantime, please don't hesitate to let us know if we can do anything else to support you.

We are all here for you and listening to you. Take care for now and we will look forward to, hopefully, hearing from you again soon 

Thanks, yeah i will fight for what i’m entitled to, it’s no wonder so many go to trial, and it seems like they make it hard for people to claim. Maybe as so many scam the system i understand that, but to blatantly make mistakes is appalling! As advised i’ll change it to a telephone hearing, seems bad it should make such a difference and they can’t just go by the evidence, don’t know where those statistics come from but i’ll go with it all the same.

calcotti

giles_74 said:.., it’s no wonder so many go to trial, and it seems like they make it hard for people to claim. Maybe as so many scam the system i understand that,

As advised earlier it is not a trial. It is an independent assessment of your entitlement.

The amount of fraud in the benefits system is quite low (contrary from what some of the media might lead you to believe) - although was a spike during the previous two years when some of the claim checking processes were relaxed to deal with the volume of claims as a result of Covid.

giles_74

calcotti said:

giles_74 said:.., it’s no wonder so many go to trial, and it seems like they make it hard for people to claim. Maybe as so many scam the system i understand that,

As advised earlier it is not a trial. It is an independent assessment of your entitlement.

The amount of fraud in the benefits system is quite low (contrary from what some of the media might lead you to believe) - although was a spike during the previous two years when some of the claim checking processes were relaxed to deal with the volume of claims as a result of Covid.

I know it’s not a trial and understand the procedure they’re there to help, true enough but it’s because of people exploiting the system they make it tougher for genuine people to claim what they are entitled to.

Cartini

giles_74 said:

calcotti said:

giles_74 said:.., it’s no wonder so many go to trial, and it seems like they make it hard for people to claim. Maybe as so many scam the system i understand that,

As advised earlier it is not a trial. It is an independent assessment of your entitlement.

The amount of fraud in the benefits system is quite low (contrary from what some of the media might lead you to believe) - although was a spike during the previous two years when some of the claim checking processes were relaxed to deal with the volume of claims as a result of Covid.

I know it’s not a trial and understand the procedure they’re there to help, true enough but it’s because of people exploiting the system they make it tougher for genuine people to claim what they are entitled to.

I have no objection to the "system" if it stops fraud.  Yes, it is a "ball ache" of a process, but it ensures people who need the help receive it.

You aren`t entitled to anything until you apply and that application is approved.  If it`s not approved entitlement doesn`t exist.

poppy123456

giles_74 said:

calcotti said:

giles_74 said:.., it’s no wonder so many go to trial, and it seems like they make it hard for people to claim. Maybe as so many scam the system i understand that,

As advised earlier it is not a trial. It is an independent assessment of your entitlement.

The amount of fraud in the benefits system is quite low (contrary from what some of the media might lead you to believe) - although was a spike during the previous two years when some of the claim checking processes were relaxed to deal with the volume of claims as a result of Covid.

I know it’s not a trial and understand the procedure

Yet you referred to it as a trial twice.

giles_74

poppy123456 said:

giles_74 said:

calcotti said:

giles_74 said:.., it’s no wonder so many go to trial, and it seems like they make it hard for people to claim. Maybe as so many scam the system i understand that,

As advised earlier it is not a trial. It is an independent assessment of your entitlement.

The amount of fraud in the benefits system is quite low (contrary from what some of the media might lead you to believe) - although was a spike during the previous two years when some of the claim checking processes were relaxed to deal with the volume of claims as a result of Covid.

I know it’s not a trial and understand the procedure

Yet you referred to it as a trial twice.

Who’s counting!.? 🙄 does it really matter, people still understand what i’m on about even if you feel the need to point it out.

poppy123456

There maybe people reading this that have no idea at all and you referring to it as a "trial" can be very scary for some people. For this reason it's important to point out the misinformation.

giles_74

Deppi said:

I second that, what Poppy said, words matter and that word is the worst to put in ones head about tribunal. It is not a trial, it takes place in a court but it is not a court the way the word suggest it. From my view the tribunal is the first place a PIP applicant will have a dialogue and the ability to speak in full for their condition. A trial does not allow that procedurally in the way a Tribunal does. Totally wrong word, and certainly intimidating to use. So I do count and do care seeing it used in error. Just saying...

Personally it all sounds the same, trial, tribunal, signifying “going to court “ difference being you aren’t on trail as such, i stand corrected again! There’s information given telling you all about the process, chances are not many people know about this forum i found it by chance, some can’t be bothered to take it all the way either.

calcotti

giles_74 said:
Personally it all sounds the same, trial, tribunal, signifying “going to court “ difference being you aren’t on trail as such, i stand corrected again! 

A trial is adversarial. A tribunal is inquisitorial. A tribunal is not a court.

giles_74

calcotti said:

giles_74 said:
Personally it all sounds the same, trial, tribunal, signifying “going to court “ difference being you aren’t on trail as such, i stand corrected again! 

A trial is adversarial. A tribunal is inquisitorial. A tribunal is not a court.

Thanks for that 👏🏻