The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)

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  • Pirate008
    Pirate008 Online Community Member Posts: 12 Listener

    yes, you are spot on. Make sure you record any further difficulties you are having and any evidence to support those. PIP assure me that nothing will change while my award is ongoing. Like you, when the soft touch review becomes due ( in my case Dec 2027) could be the right time to challenge, on the other hand they may just keep you as you are (which I would be happy with).

  • tcellmutation
    tcellmutation Online Community Member Posts: 341 Empowering

    I have the 4 points and 16 points in total. 10 year award, enhanced / enhanced. It seems like people in this category will be left alone and won't have to be reassessed

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    in the comments on dynamic duo . I can’t confirm it’s true which is why I asked scope for clarification. But they haven’t changed the pip form criteria and of course there’s carers allowance. So hopefully it’s not true . If it were almost no one would get it as who has a live in professional carer.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I don’t think it would mean that but just a loop hole . How many have a live in professional carer . Hopefully it’s not true but we need scope to clarify this .

  • Middleton
    Middleton Online Community Member Posts: 263 Empowering

    Why didn't you reason that out before posting?

  • Middleton
    Middleton Online Community Member Posts: 263 Empowering
  • Middleton
    Middleton Online Community Member Posts: 263 Empowering

    Why on earth would it be an issue

  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 3,214 Championing
  • Hopeless
    Hopeless Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 977 Pioneering

    I don’t think that can be the case as people’s family often claim carer’s allowance to look after the person on PIP. As far as I’m aware you just have to show that you need the help. Whether you get it and who from doesn’t matter

  • Jenwren
    Jenwren Online Community Member Posts: 104 Empowering

    You're welcome. The more I'm on the forum etc the more my fury at Labour grows to cold, hard stuff-them mentality. I voted for them. I believed no one could be worse than Tories. Labour isn't my natural political home but it's them or Tories were I live. I'm done with them - so are a lot of people I know, and it's not just disabilities but that's a large factor. I'm hearing people who have friends and family who are disabled and are incesed by this and genuinely furious and disgusted. I fully believe Starmmer and co will try to ram this through but I think they are underestimating how bad this will be for them, how much people will fight. Well, that's my hope.

  • Vulcress
    Vulcress Online Community Member Posts: 111 Empowering

    The consultation questions under the green paper are lamentable

    They are not asking the correct questions, most of them almost feel like

    "Write what you like but we are correct"

    The last 3 questions feel duplicates,

    I just kept saying

    1, accept some people will never work instead of wasting huge sums of money on that

    focus on the people who only need NHS treatment/OPS to return to work

    2. Respect the clinical evidence provided, now its more focused on the opinions of companies paid millions to axe benefits for people only for them to undergo the trauma of appeals and get the money back.

    3, Stop pretending this is "reform" its making savings and sadly now disabled people are on this endless cycle of misery when a new party comes into power within months "lets target the disabled" this has to end and written into law if someone is deemed unfit for work they are not going to get better then accept it.

  • Jenwren
    Jenwren Online Community Member Posts: 104 Empowering

    There's a very interesting youtuber - garys economics, he's a young, former trader and has two philosphies 1) wealth inequality is at the heart of everything - it's driving the far right rise, the billionaire class, the rage people have, the rising 'isms' etc. That unless we tackle that no goverment of any type or affiliation will sort things out 2) it's no longer about voters who are labour v tories, red vs blue - the only dividing line should be the people who support a wealth tax on billionaires (he's very specific that it's to tax them on their assests not their income/earnings) verses people/govt that don't and he said what they've done - very, very succesfully is get people - red, blue, whatever political stripe, north, south, black, white, male, female etc that we fight amoung ourselves and that keeps the uber rich safe while they make more and more and more profits off us. It's basically his theory. It's interesting.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I don’t know if it’s even true hence I’ve left a comment for scope to answer . It’s simply something I’ve just read .

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Online Community Member Posts: 407 Pioneering
    edited March 19

    Have the reassessments for LCWRA started already, or will it be April 2026?

    This is what I'm most worried about, I wont be able to cope with going through another reassessment, and it feels like there's a decent chance I'll be classed as fit for work or put into LCW.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    that’s what I think too . It wouldn’t make sense as it was mean no such need for carers allowance. But it was in the comments and the content creator said they’ve mentioned emphasis on professional carers . We need scope to explain this and reassure us .

  • Jenwren
    Jenwren Online Community Member Posts: 104 Empowering

    I think the issue is that it's not what they say (or don't) it's what these reforms will do that is potentially illegally. This is what happened to the tories - they got taken to court and lost. From my understanding if that happens then they have to reppeal the law/policy.

    So right now for example if this goes through, someone like me who scores mostly 2s and 3s and gets PIP under my next assessment my disabilities and illness haven't changed (they've actually gotten worse and I've developed another health condition), but if I don't get scored a 4 in any one catagory I will loose the whole of either my PIP or the daily living (mobility isn't affected) - so one day I'm deemed I need the help/support and the next with nothing improving I'm not. That is descrimination.

    Another one is forcing people to go to face-to-face assessments reguardless of their disabilities and illness. Under the Disability Act 2010, you are legally allowed to ask for 'reasonable adjustments' and these include requesting a telephone interview, or perhaps them coming to you home if you can't travel.

    Not even the govt can try moving the goalposts because it wants to. Wes Streeting can't just decide - or at the very least strongly imply that mental health (esp in young people) 'isn't a thing' because he doesn't believe it. The sick and disabled are a legally protected group, reguardless of what this govt believe and even we actually still have rights and if those are violated the govt has broken the law. If the govt insists on ramming this through individuals, charities and organisations will take them to court, and likely will win. The problem is that will take time - years and a lot of damage can be done during that time. That's why this has to be watered down or rejected by MPs, Lords etc - and one way is if we, charities etc keep pressuring them. Not even they are immune completely to the court of public opinion.

  • mangomungo
    mangomungo Online Community Member Posts: 180 Empowering

    That’s what I’m scared of aswell. Last time I had an assessment they did a paper based one 5 years ago and even though things aren’t any better I don’t trust them not to lie after I’ve just had a PIP assessor lie through their back teeth so I don’t get PIP. I hate this government and what they’re doing to everyone they’ve destroyed my mental health even further

  • Jamk85
    Jamk85 Online Community Member Posts: 55 Empowering
    edited March 19

    As far as i am aware most on LCWRA are still suspended, i have not heard any news about them starting up again.

    Unless labour changes this in the coming weeks.

    I would assume with the massive backlog and getting everyone on UC by December 2025/2026 you might be waiting awhile anyway.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 4,115 Championing

    Hi @YogiBear This part of the Green Paper is not grabbing the headlines. It's unclear. It's something I intend to write on at length when I respond to the Green Paper.

    Sometimes I wonder whether I'd be better on without my savings but I feel more secure with a bit in the bank.

    Sadly, no Mods have responded to this issue.

  • Holly_Scope
    Holly_Scope Posts: 4,277 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    Hi @pinkrose. Our policy team is currently reviewing the Benefits Green Paper in detail, and we will provide updates on our website as soon as we have more information. Please check our website for further details, which will be published soon. 💜

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