The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)

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James Taylor, Executive Director of Strategy at disability equality charity Scope, said: 

“The biggest cuts to disability benefits on record should shame the government to its core. They are choosing to penalise some of the poorest people in our society. Almost half of families in poverty include someone who is disabled. 

“Life costs more if you are disabled. Ripping £5bn out of the system by 2030 will be a catastrophe for disabled peoples’ living standards and independence.
“The government will be picking up the pieces in other parts of the system with pressure on an already overwhelmed NHS and social care, as more disabled people are pushed into poverty.    

“We expect the consultation will see an overwhelming response. We urge the government to listen to disabled people and think again.”

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The consultation regarding the green paper is now live. So if you want to have your voice heard, I recommend you all take the time to fill this in. The link is at the bottom of the consultation page. Please note; the form isn't very accessible right now, but it is something we've raised as an issue already.

Please see below the link to the Green Paper document:

Pathways to Work: Reforming Benefits and Support to Get Britain Working Green Paper - GOV.UK

We're actively campaigning and raising awareness through The Cost of Cuts, and we’d really appreciate your support and signature.

This discussion has been created as a safe space to discuss today's announcement and the documentation that followed.

tcellmutation

First! -

future eligibility will be decided at their next award review

secretsquirrel1

so if you’ll need pip to get lcwra and pip is awarded for how your condition affects you and not your ability to work are they saying there’s to be no sickness benefits now ?

barton85

I get lcwra but not pip I have leukaemia which I’ll have for the rest of my life with daily chemo so hopefully this makes me eligible at review

raspberrysorbet66

can someone tell me please I scored 8 on pip for “mixing with others” or whatever it is… is this a daily living activity? I don’t understand. I score 2/3 on every other question. Scared to death. I get 10 points mobility because should I go out alone I’ll not make it back home.

ThirtySixteen

One thing I think we can all learn from this is that we should never believe or worry about what the media tell us.

I know it’s hard but for me at least it wasn’t as bad as I feared but the media actually caused some people on various forums to say they wanted to kill themselves.
Totally unacceptable from the MSM.

I slept on the sofa last night because my wife was so anxious and needed space.
This is an excerpt from the message she sent me this morning. I’ve cut the private bits out but you get the gist.

nsaeon

Well, looks like I'll lose my UC at some point. I don't get PIP but do get LCWRA. Why are they doing this? They're literally going after people who can't work, but giving more money to people looking for work. How does that make any sense?

Ray212

The PIP 4 points thing is going to cause big problems and needs to be targetted in the green paper review.

I get daily living by having 2 points in multiple categories, I don't have 4 in any one category so I would lose everything as well as tens of thousands of others.

Durus

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1000488#Comment_1000488

Yes that 8 is a daily living activity so you'd meet the new requirements to get pip as long as you stay above 4 points in at least one of your daily living activities.

Prinko

is New Style ESA affected by any of these changes?
it only mentions using thr PIP assessment for the WCA for UC. I know NS ESA is contribution based but they never specify, they just say ESA, which on my mind is the old style IR ESA

Catherine21

No mention of what illnesses would qualify does it effect new and excisting claimants

hallac

I am shocked at this. I do receive the care element but I never actually received 4 points in a category. Because I got awarded I didn’t want to rock the boat but this now looks like it is going to come back and haunt me!

SM9346

Just noticed for those in Scotland. Anyone know what this means. Does that mean the Scottish Government will be taking over UC?

In Scotland, some elements of support for disabled people and people with health conditions remain reserved (for example, the health element in UC) and some have been devolved to the Scottish Government (for example PIP and DLA).

“Employment support is a transferred matter in Northern Ireland. 

DWP and the Scottish and Welsh Governments all have powers to provide employment support. The proposals in this paper would only apply directly to UK Government areas of responsibility. The interactions between reserved and devolved areas will need to be fully considered before implemented. This will be particularly important in Scotland where responsibility for certain disability benefits is devolved.”

raspberrysorbet66

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1000496#Comment_1000496

sorry, I don’t know where I got 8 from - I get 4. My heads gone to the moon.

BlindBat

I’m on new style ESA in the support group (contribution based). I’m confused as to whether this will be stopped? I tried listening to Liz deliver her speech but couldn’t understand it all and I heard UC get mentioned a lot but not ESA.

thank you

Prinko

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1000511#Comment_1000511

same

AgnesTheodore

I also get 2 points in most daily living activities, but don’t get 4 in any. So I guess I’m shafted. I’ve already cried on the phone to my husband about this. This is rubbish.

Durus

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1000511#Comment_1000511

I'm on CB ESA too and it looks it is being scrapped. They are repalcing it with a new non-means tested benefit as long as you've paid enough national insurance contribution in, but it's going to be time limited, they didn't say how long but I'm going to guess 1 year then I presume you'd be forced onto means tested UC if still out of work.

Whereas currently you can claim CB ESA indefinitely which I guess they had a problem with.

apples

I’m confused big time, I didn’t watch it, can anyone tell me where I stand please, I receive UC and LCWRA and PIP thanks

kreacher

i have 2 4 pointers, so looks like i'm ok, but won't hold my breath

dannistar

I don’t understand any of it my brain isn’t working how it should anymore.
What are the proposed changes mentioned today & how will it affect people currently on PIP, UC, LCWRA, or ESA support group & those on DLA moving to PIP. I know it’s a lot to ask but I need it in simple terms please who ever has the time & patience to explain it.
Thank you in advance.