The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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I’m sure I read the descriptors won’t be changing only the 4 point rule
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Bare in mind that the Tories' proposed changes to the Work Capability Assessment was pushed through without legislation but it was still found to be unlawful.
There's an old saying "why kick a lion when you can kick a cat?" it's figurative for it's easier to pick on someone who is weak, it's what bullies and cowards do but happens when that cat becomes a lion?
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please don't thank me, I can't imagine what you are going through. How DARE this 'labour' goverment do this to people??
I few other things I would suggest - sorry if these aren't helpful:
Do NOT watch the news, go on Twitter, on YouTube any follow any news about this at all - I know it's all your brain can think about (mine can't switch off) but right now you absolutely have to protect your brain. I don't just mean for a day - you need to switch off re the news for the next few weeks. Nothing will change in that time period, I promise.
When I've been in absolute crisis mode, the only thing I could do was it was about getting through the next minute. Then then next five minutes. Ten. 20. Maybe a half hour or an hour. it's about getting through that minute, then that day. Forget tomorrow. Next week, month, year.
If you can try going on YouTube and watching videos on a) mediation and b) ASMR - type in ASMR for panic attacks and severe anxiety. just watch one video after the next, you don't have to look at the screen.
Is there a TV show you enjoy - watch it on repeat. A song you love. Play it right now, and again and again.
Also breathing is so important. I know it sounds dumb and obvious but it helps me in panic. One technique is you breath in through your nose slowly counting to four. Then you hold for four seconds. Then slowly exhale via your mouth and count out to five.
Another technique is 5-4-3-2-1 and involves the senses so - five things you can see, four things you can hear, three things you can feel etc (I don't think the order matters, but it's about focusing on the present moment.).
Try to get an emergency GP appointment asap and tell them everything, do you have a GP you trust? You can also take a friend, carer or family member that you trust for support
Have you contacted any HIV support services? There's the Terrence Higgins Trust, the National AIDS trust and George House Trust. If you haven't contacted any HIV or Rape support services, please consider doing so - they might well be able to help you fight with PIP.
Do you have a counsellor? (sorry for the questions - please don't feel you have to answer any) - if not ask the GP about counselling service and ask/request for a social perscriber - they can help you access support you haven't considered and can advocate for you:
Depending on your finances you can get discounted counselling from various registers of counsellors who give discounted or sometimes free sessions - even if they charge, consider contacting ones that specialist in rape, and explain a bit of your situation reguarding PIP and see if they'd offer a discount.
Sorry if I'm talking rubbish and saying things that you already know. Again please, please keep contacting this forum, ring the crisis helplines as often as you need to. You can also call for paramedics on 999 - a lot are well trained in how to help people who are suicidal. You're not alone, it may feel like it, but you aren't. You matter. You deserve to be here. You deserve PIP.
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Thought this might be able to give some slight relief to anyone who’s concerned in case specific conditions get singled out — confirmation criteria will continue to be about how your condition affects you, not what your diagnosis is
from the Guardian:
Tighter rules for Pip won't exclude all people claiming as result of severe anxiety, says DWP minister Stephen Timms
In his interview on Times Radio this morning, Stephen Timms, the social security and disability minister, said that the government’s decision to tighten the eligibility requirments for Pip would not exclude all people claiming as a result of severe anxiety.
Asked if people with anxiety would no longer by able to claim Pip under the new rules, Timms replied:
No, it depends what the effect of the condition is on people’s wellbeing, and the indicators are all published and set out.
So if you have difficulties doing certain things, then you get points on the Pip assessment. And the number of points you get determine how much Pip you get.
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They just pressed a key on a computer to find out how many people scored '4 points' for a descriptor, the computer threw out XXX, XXX, number. They liked the number, so that is the 'cut off'.
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I am just LCWRA for substantial risk. I don't claim PIP. I don't know where in the heck I stand. So worried.
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I've been scared the past few days about this. I get PIP and LCWRA for Bipolar Disorder and now I'm scared I'm going to lose these two benefits. I don't understand how they can still try to go through with this despite the amount of backlash that they've been getting. Is there a point in writing to Liz Kendall about these issues? I worry that they just simply won't care. I mean, that's been shown based on their attitudes recently
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Yes Charlie. Benefits and work have even gone as far to call it 'bogus'...and I agree with them.
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I think that just means having to have the 4 points somewhere. They seem to be saying they will look at the PIP assessment but there won’t be any changes until after all this other stuff is rolled out. So probably not till 2029 at the earliest
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I’m sure I read on the guardian that they may look at the form in the future but now it’s the same apart from us needing 4 points I’ve been looking for that on guardian but haven’t found it
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Yes that's right . Point 106 in green paper does say they are "not consulting on this measure "
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No need to thank me but you are so welcome Gazmo. Xxxx
Remember, no matter what happens, we are all in this together .
And we will all face it together. Xxx
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Hi all i get pip and work capability im guessing il be losing my work capability very soon I feel so stressed about this i understanding everybody else does aswell
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Thanks zips, this is the only bit of relief I've had today.
Thankyou so much. X
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So does this mean nomatter what is said it done it will go through ?
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From The Guardian/Resolution Foundation article
‘A single person who would have previously qualified for Pip standard daily living and UC LCWRA will now not qualify for Pip daily living if they do not score at least four points on a single criterion of the Pip assessment, and from 2028 they will also not qualify for the UC LCWRA element when the Pip assessment replaces the work capability assessment to determine eligibility. This amounts to an annual loss of £9,600 per year in 2029-30.’
I won’t go into the pressures I’ve had to endure on the private rental market. I will be on the street1 -
I just will not think about it . Honestly I do not know what it will happen to me. In esa and pip but it seems pip will be the first thing I might lose. Maybe even both . But I just don't know.. I don't think this government will last. Maybe new elections coming soon..… it seems this government betrayed its people from almost the beginning...
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@Vulcress yep, saw that interview last night. Total turnaround from at The Resolution Foundation. They're all too busy busy, at the trough. Didn't he say at one point no, I've got a mortgage. I'd have laughed if I hadn't choked.
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The irony of them doing this as a way to get more mental health claimants into work (and save money) when this has messed my mental health up more and pushed me even further away from ever being stable enough to work, plus I've had to have my med dose increased costing the NHS more money! I'd laugh if I wasn't feeling like I'm **** broken inside from all this.
How many of us are are feeling like there is no hope and seriously considering ending it all?
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This is down to reeves disastrous budget, to fill her failing. Surely Echr should be able to help. They say about getting people into work, some fo work my daughter included. It for our independence. It's not out of work benefits. Saw on talk tv that some guest was saying that pip can be given by having it done online without face to face.
I don't know how I managed, asd, dyslexia, fatigue, copd, joint hypermobility syndrome, i have ptsd from child abuse, rape etc and im having more tests done. Starmer is a disgrace , the front bench
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