The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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Thought this might be able to give some slight relief to anyone who’s concerned in case specific conditions get singled out — confirmation criteria will continue to be about how your condition affects you, not what your diagnosis is
from the Guardian:
Tighter rules for Pip won't exclude all people claiming as result of severe anxiety, says DWP minister Stephen Timms
In his interview on Times Radio this morning, Stephen Timms, the social security and disability minister, said that the government’s decision to tighten the eligibility requirments for Pip would not exclude all people claiming as a result of severe anxiety.
Asked if people with anxiety would no longer by able to claim Pip under the new rules, Timms replied:
No, it depends what the effect of the condition is on people’s wellbeing, and the indicators are all published and set out.
So if you have difficulties doing certain things, then you get points on the Pip assessment. And the number of points you get determine how much Pip you get.
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They just pressed a key on a computer to find out how many people scored '4 points' for a descriptor, the computer threw out XXX, XXX, number. They liked the number, so that is the 'cut off'.
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I am just LCWRA for substantial risk. I don't claim PIP. I don't know where in the heck I stand. So worried.
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I've been scared the past few days about this. I get PIP and LCWRA for Bipolar Disorder and now I'm scared I'm going to lose these two benefits. I don't understand how they can still try to go through with this despite the amount of backlash that they've been getting. Is there a point in writing to Liz Kendall about these issues? I worry that they just simply won't care. I mean, that's been shown based on their attitudes recently
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Yes Charlie. Benefits and work have even gone as far to call it 'bogus'...and I agree with them.
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I think that just means having to have the 4 points somewhere. They seem to be saying they will look at the PIP assessment but there won’t be any changes until after all this other stuff is rolled out. So probably not till 2029 at the earliest
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I’m sure I read on the guardian that they may look at the form in the future but now it’s the same apart from us needing 4 points I’ve been looking for that on guardian but haven’t found it
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Yes that's right . Point 106 in green paper does say they are "not consulting on this measure "
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No need to thank me but you are so welcome Gazmo. Xxxx
Remember, no matter what happens, we are all in this together .
And we will all face it together. Xxx
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Hi all i get pip and work capability im guessing il be losing my work capability very soon I feel so stressed about this i understanding everybody else does aswell
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Thanks zips, this is the only bit of relief I've had today.
Thankyou so much. X
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So does this mean nomatter what is said it done it will go through ?
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From The Guardian/Resolution Foundation article
‘A single person who would have previously qualified for Pip standard daily living and UC LCWRA will now not qualify for Pip daily living if they do not score at least four points on a single criterion of the Pip assessment, and from 2028 they will also not qualify for the UC LCWRA element when the Pip assessment replaces the work capability assessment to determine eligibility. This amounts to an annual loss of £9,600 per year in 2029-30.’
I won’t go into the pressures I’ve had to endure on the private rental market. I will be on the street1 -
I just will not think about it . Honestly I do not know what it will happen to me. In esa and pip but it seems pip will be the first thing I might lose. Maybe even both . But I just don't know.. I don't think this government will last. Maybe new elections coming soon..… it seems this government betrayed its people from almost the beginning...
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The irony of them doing this as a way to get more mental health claimants into work (and save money) when this has messed my mental health up more and pushed me even further away from ever being stable enough to work, plus I've had to have my med dose increased costing the NHS more money! I'd laugh if I wasn't feeling like I'm **** broken inside from all this.
How many of us are are feeling like there is no hope and seriously considering ending it all?
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This is down to reeves disastrous budget, to fill her failing. Surely Echr should be able to help. They say about getting people into work, some fo work my daughter included. It for our independence. It's not out of work benefits. Saw on talk tv that some guest was saying that pip can be given by having it done online without face to face.
I don't know how I managed, asd, dyslexia, fatigue, copd, joint hypermobility syndrome, i have ptsd from child abuse, rape etc and im having more tests done. Starmer is a disgrace , the front bench
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@Squirrel1_@secretsquirrel1 I completed my own PIP form at a time when my main carer was a family member. I received points of 4 and above for the daily living activities affected by my disability.
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ChatGPT says this on consultations.
In the UK, the government is not legally required to hold public consultations on all new legislation, but it is strongly encouraged as part of good governance.
When Are Consultations Required?
The government follows the Consultation Principles (last updated in 2018), which set out best practices for engaging stakeholders before making policy or legislative changes. However, consultations are not legally binding unless specific laws require them.
Situations Where Consultation May Be Required
- Statutory Requirement – Some laws explicitly require consultations. For example:
- Equality Act 2010 – Requires consultation where policies impact protected groups.
- Local Government Acts – Require consultations on certain local authority decisions.
- Judicial Review Risk – If a government decision significantly affects people's rights and there is no consultation, courts may find the decision unlawful through judicial review (if it is deemed unfair or irrational).
- Major Policy Changes – While not always legally required, the government often consults on:
- Large-scale reforms (e.g., tax, healthcare, education).
- Regulatory changes affecting businesses.
- Controversial issues (e.g., environmental policies).
Exceptions
- Emergencies (e.g., COVID-19 laws) – The government can bypass consultations if immediate action is needed.
- Manifesto Commitments – The government may argue that consultation is unnecessary for policies promised in election manifestos.
Conclusion
While not always legally required, consultations are often conducted to ensure transparency, fairness, and to avoid legal challenges. Failure to consult can lead to judicial reviews or political backlash.
2 - Statutory Requirement – Some laws explicitly require consultations. For example:
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I’m still confused
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If that’s right that is major as this was not in the manifesto and it directly involves the equality act as disability is a protected characteristic. Is it incompetence, pig ignorance, thinking the law doesn’t apply to them or is it another double crossing stupid political game trying to win right wing votes knowing it will get thrown out anyway?
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